Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)

Rat, please google Theory of Mind. You will see how irrelavent that sentence is.

I stand corrected and no appologies needed mate

No, this default position (when we are first conscious) of no belief in supernatural entities.People who do not believe in such things either never have (because there was no compelling reason to change the default position) or have changed their default to 'belief in the supernatural' and then through experienced reasessed that change (from the default position of no belief in th supernatural) and made a choice not to.You have two answers to the OP 'Why Atheists don't believe?'1: There is no change in the default position re: belief in the supernatual which is initially 'there are no gods'2a: There is a change to the default position re: belief in the supernatual which is initially 'there are no gods' and one chooses to believe there are supernatural entities in the universe e.g. xian god.2b: This belief is then reasessed and found wanting and the default position is re-aquired.How does this not answer the OP?

It's right there in black and white. Not only did I remember what I typed, I gave a link to it. It’s not my fault if you didn't get it, that is why I directed you to it again, so you know exactly what I was talking about. I always get attacked about my spelling here on this board. I really don't care how I spell things, but I have learned that to be taken seriously, you should put some effort in your spelling, especially if your going to tell me to take English, and then miss-spell the word.It will add to your credibility. I guess you only go off-topic when you think it's ok?
Don't dodge the question, and then you'll see just how on-topic it is.Oh, and I ain't your son. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Not only can he prove something, he can prove there is no God with a single post in an internet forum. WOW! How do you do it, what's your secret, please share it with all of us, here is some of what you said:

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It's also plainly obvious that god does not

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exist, and is just as childish.

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It's plainly obvious, that's brilliant, you should be a professor!Here's another excerpt from Message 213

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because maker-man did not create him

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Oh...because, WOW, how prophetic

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To hope for

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absolution, for wrongs you have done, from any deity, is immature.

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Hey, you confused with being forgiven by men with being forgiven by God, and then called it immature. Well that proves there is no God, I am convinced. Tomorrow, I will start living my life as if there was no God, because of....well because of.....shit, I just don't know why because?I guess your above God, and the scientific method, a new first! Ok, let's clarify again. I am not prejudice against atheist.Was that simple enough?I am not prejudice against anyone, as far as I know. If I am, then it is in ignorance, and I need to improve myself. Matthew 21:12
[ Jesus at the Temple ] Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.Well, He would either explain to me why I am wrong and feel I am right, or tell me I was right, and forgive me either way, as I would try to forgive you. Well the rest of your post was filled with colorful boxes and quotes and things, but I don't think it said much, so I won't even address it. I think if you read through this post, and some of my others, you might find out a little more about me. Just click on my name, and you can access every post I've ever written. You won't agree with many things I said, and I won't agree with you, but by no means do I hate you, or anyone else here.As far as finding my way, I am doing just fine. I am 40 years old, have 5 kids, a leader in a Christian rock band, vice president of Hope for the Nations US, own my own HVAC and plumbing business, own my own little log cabin on a lake upstate NY, and I love my family. I think I am doing just fine.You are new here, and most of us come in here making outrageous assertions, as I did too, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. If you last here, you'll make a fine addition to the community. We can all learn from each other, and experience joy in discussing each others opinions, and known facts.

Oops, sorry, saw this after I did my last reply. I hope it was civilized enough, and I was trying to bring peace to it, in my closing statement.

dogma:
# A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
# An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine.
# A principle or belief or a group of them: “The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” (Abraham Lincoln).I think your statement falls under this part: An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion,As by your own admission: This is an open and painfully honest statement of my beliefI don't see the difference...

I've taken some college courses, but never experienced this in college, only in high school. Some of my friends have experienced it in college though, I wouldn't call it propaganda.

Ok, I got it now.

Then being able to believe makes you a theist?I don't see the logic.If one lacks the ability of belief, then we cannot judge what that person would believe or not and then label it. Atheist does not mean lack of belief, it means dis-belief, or belief that there is no God. It's a non-issue. It's like saying your going to go drive a car, and you don't have one.Will you stop responding to me multiple times? No, because agnostic is some sort of belief also.
Theist, atheist, and agnostic, are labels left to only those who can posess the capability to believe. If we are born without the capability, then there is no default position of belief.Edited by riVeRraT, : edited to respond to schraf multiple posts, I guess she wants the end of the thread already.

Are you thinking that all atheist must follow the dogma?Because I feel the dogma can be specific to each indiviual, or groups of individuals who feel the same way. Since it is a belief, whether true or not, then it doesn't have to be a written law. That is the start of the dogma, then increases when you ask why. Still don't know what you mean by that.

Dead wrong.1. Ohnhai has not claimed any authority for his position.2. Nor is he closed to the possibility that he might be mistaken.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

I understand theory of mind now. To even say that requires the ability to believe, or theory of mind. So I disagree. Atheism is not a default position.

By definition, it doesn't have to be exclusively an authoritive position, it can be just a statement of belief, or ideas.If he could be wrong, then he would be agnostic, no?

A mixed admin mode / non-admin mode message.This topic will soon be closed. Of course, there probably will be yet another sequel topic. I suggest someone try to pick out a specific point to discuss, rather than having another broad based "Atheism" topic. - End of admin mode input. So riVeRrat, were you born with a belief in God? If not, and I think such was the case, then you were born an atheist (soft variety - "No belief in God").Moose

Incorrect.You do not have to be aware of something to not believe it is true. The default state needs no a priori concepts to have no belief in gods.Having no concept of xian doctorine means you have no belief in the xian god.That is to say when we are toddlers (at default) we have no knowledge and cannot be said to believe or disbelieve. There is no preprogrammed knowledge in humans.We may only choose to alter that default position when we are exposed to concepts.How many time do I have to repeat this?