So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?

In the end what is the point though? So what if one discovers political grievances? All that's going to happen is a typical politically correct fingerpointing at the "evil" West, which is pretty much always jar's MO, and another suicidal bleeding-heart liberal justification of these truly evil actions by this truly evil ideology.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No. You've obviously missed a lot of discussion of these subjects.

Ah well, if that's what happens, that's what happens. I'll just bail out on the thread at that point. In the meantime, history for history's sake isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's my hobby, for one. Who knows, people might learn something they didn't know, or look at things in a different light.

To begin looking at the area by area situation, two places stand out, Bushire, Iran and Bahrain.It may seem funny to start with a city and the smallest of the nations in the region, but they played a critical role.Iran was always considered as separate from the rest of the Middle East. It's language, peoples and culture were different, and it was also religiously different from most of the other Islamic States.As was done with the ME in the Sykes-Picot Agreement, a secret agreement between Russia and Great Britian divided up Iran into two spheres of influence. Russia would control northern Iran while the British would control the southern and eastern regions as well as all of Afghanistan. This gave Great Britain control of the coast line from India all around the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea area and Egypt.Until the 1930s the importance of the region revolved around transportation and communications between England and the Jewel in the Crown, India. Oil was not a major consideration, only four fields had been found before WWII, and England was mostly concerned with securing the sea lanes and creating markets for exports. The other big driving force was negative, to make sure that other Great Powers did not gain influence in the area including Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and particularly, France.The British set up their Naval Base in the occupied city of Busire, Iran and it operated out of there until the whole Middle East Command was moved to Bahrain in 1935. During the 1860's Bahrain signed a treaty with Great Britain that turned over all dealings with foriegn nations (including all commercial agreements) to Great Britain in return for a British guarantee of defense. When commercial quantities of oil were discovered in 1925 or so, the concession was granted to a New Zealander, Frank Holmes. That situation remained the staus-quo until Great Britain declared it could no longer afford to defend the Gulf and withdrew from the area in 1971. That same year Bahrain finally became independant.

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I agree, it's not the Bible that caused those things. It was religious zealots and fanatics. Likewise with today's Muslim Zealots. DO NOT RESPONDEdited by AdminAsgara, : off topic gif

War of 1812: Tried to conquer British Canada. Failed.Mexican American War: Tried to conquer Mexico. Succeeded. Note the existance of the southwestern states.Spanish American War: Tried to conquer Spanish territories in our sphere of influence. Succeeded.Where the heck did you get idea that the US never engaged in foreign wars for possession of territory?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Do not let people pull you off into unrelated and nonsense discussions.

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Shouldn't have said "never." I did acknowledge Manifest Destiny. Please see new thread on "American Imperialism."

Your knee-jerk bigotry is showing again.Prior to their 2001 ceasefire (and then the Iraq insurgency) the organisation which had carried out more suicide bombings than any other - in fact up to 2000 more than all other groups combined - was the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.They are predominantly Hindus.

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You guys just like the word "bigotry" don't you? It makes your philistine hearts happy to call your enemies by that name. Really it's illiterate to use it that way, but you don't care what it means, as long as it serves to demean and dehumanize them and set them apart from your holy selves. I didn't know about the Hindus. But if I did and included them, that wouldn't make me any less a "bigot" according to your narrowminded view.

do you know why they chose september 11? it was the date of a battle during the crusades. one of many needless invasions and murderous rampages carried out against muslims in palestine. i wish i could remember the precise year and location of this particular battle. it is also the date when spain began expelling the moors that had converted to christianity. the west has been attacking muslims since they became muslims. that is why they hate us.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

Let's try to stick to the topic, which picks up around WWI, if possible.

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Historically nearly every despotic hierarchial tyrannical ideology that has come down the pike since the founding of our republic has been annoyed by the free West and particularly the US. Why?1. Freedom threatens the hold which oppressive ideologies impose on people under their power.2. The effective preaching of the Biblical gospel enlightenment in any oppressive regime or ideology, be it religious or secular, thwarts these regimes and idologies and reduces their constituency. That's why the popes and bishops of the Vatican suppressed the reading of the Bible by the laity and severly persecuted Biblical fundamentalists during the inquisitions of the Dark Ages. Biblical fundies are most prevalent in the free West. Go figure why Islam; like the Dark Age inquisitionist; like Hitler: like the Communist block; like fundie Hindus, et al are annoyed by the free West.3. Most Middle East Muslim nations want Israel eliminated. Were it not for the powerful free West, Israel would have no support. This irritates the heck out of these nations. So why wouldn't the West irritate the Islamic world?

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