So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?

In November of 1914, Indian Troops under British command invaded and occupied Basra to secure the oil fields. Capture of Basra and other battles in the area.Edited by jar, : fix url

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

OK jar I apologize because you didn't say anything directly supportive of the Ottoman Empire. Sorry.The title, however, and the opening lines still sound to me like a tale brewing: The world was at peace under the great and noble Ottoman Empire which had ruled for four hundred years. The borders were at peace, all was calm under the rule of this best of all civilizations. (except for the fact that the Turks were notable for their cruelty and the conquered peoples hated their guts for the entire four hundred years --five hundred wasn't it really? But I digress.) Soon, along came the Evil Empire, the West, and all hell broke loose. Something like that is where I expect you to go. I'll wait and see.Meanwhile, please accept my deepest apologies for misrepresenting you.Would that someday you might do the same in response to multiple requests for your apologies and retractions.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I suppose that was the good and wise thing for the Brits to do for the whole world in a world war situation. I believe history has shown that to be the case.

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Yes and if you read the link you see that it was completely strategic defense in expectation of a possible attack of the Turks, which did in fact materialize. Jar's post could have given the impression that it was an act of aggression instead of defense.

Out of curiosity, are you going to be discussing North Africa, or is the focus what we currently call the Middle East?

i think you are starting to late in history , i would start with the Arab conquests under the banner of Islam . However as you want to start with the Ottoman Empire .. first it is very important to realise that it was a Empire.. not a nation , it was made up of many nations , tribes and regions each with its own culture , religion , history and nationalisum . Much of the Ottomans strenght was used maintaining control and supressing the conquered peoples of the empire . The favoured ottoman version of islam was at odds with much of the now middle east . The focus of the empire was westward not eastern and the now middle east was the backwater of the empire .to me it seems post ww2 lead to the main causes of the current situation , with the forming of east / west satalites , the supporting of pro west goverments that where not supported by the people et al .Edited by ikabod, : No reason given.

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People don't kill people
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Yes, I think we definitely need to include North Africa.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I have no problem going back even further in another thread, but for the simply issue of management I decided to concentrate this thread on the period leading up to WWI and the period that came after it.If we go back to the founding of Islam there are simply so many other things that need to be considered. Almost every nation now in existence did not exist then with the exception of India, China, Egypt and Ethiopia. Let's try to stick with current history for this thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It may well have been a "good and wise thing for the Brits to do" from the point of view of the members of the "Triple Entente", but look at it from the viewpoint of the Arabs living in the area. The goal was to secure the oil fields at Basra for the British.This is IMHO a very important incident. The goal of invading was for oil, to secure the supply of oil. The historical lesson that the Arabs learned from Basra is that the West will invade for oil.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yeah, sometimes pictures speak louder than words.

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People don't kill people
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Tal - this post was rendered invisible for three reasons:1. The topic is currently centred around the Ottoman empire and how its fall might be related to anti-west sentiments from the Middle-Eastern Islamic world. Your 'post' was about the Israeli-Islam conflict which is an entirely different topic that has been covered many many times here (often it's not even on topic!)2. Your post was actually just an image. There was no commentary at all. Sometimes this is acceptable, but it mostly isn't.3. The topic you tried to wedge in here (viz the Israeli-Islam conflict) is highly likely to generate a lot of respsonses despite its off-topicness. As such it is flamebait, and in my opinion it is highly likely the motivation was to troll for said responses. If this wasn't the motivation, so be it. In that case might I ask you consider the consequences of your occasional post with more care.Any comments to this action can be referred to the appropriate thread in my sig, please do not respond in this thread. Thank you.

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Who owns the oil in Basra now?

The next major treaty I'd like for us to consider is the Treaty of Sèvres signed in 1920.Section III of the treaty describes the establishment of an autonomous Kurdistan that would have the right one year after the signing to ask for full stature as an independant Nation. This treaty was supposed to be binding on Turkey, and to be inforced by all the parties, including Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan.What happened was that Turkey simply ignored that section and virtually legislated the Kurds out of existence. And not one of the Western Powers did anything to uphold their commitments made to the Kurds.The reason this is important is that to the Kurds, and other Arab groups throughout the area, it demonstrated that the Western Powers could not be trusted to follow through on the commitments they had made.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Right now, no one is really sure. It is in the area occupied by the US and allies. If IRAQ forms a govenment it will likely revert to IRAQ.But that has absolutely nothing to do with the lesson learned from the British Invasion and occupation of Basra in 1914.We will likely get to the issues of the West creating and deciding the boards and governments of the Nations States in teh Middle East, but so far that is still in the future.

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