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LudoRephaim
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Message 106 of 111 (308735)
05-03-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by ringo
05-02-2006 8:57 PM


Im not going to debate this with you anymore. Titus 3:9 states that believers should avoid foolish controversies as well as Quarrels about the Law saying that these things are unprofitable and worthless. The "Law" is reffering to the Pentateuch, or Torah (first five books fo the Bible, including Genesis) This is very much a quarrel about the Law, for we are debating over Genesis, and a debate that is going nowhere. I am freeing myself from this debate, and that is a command from scripture.
Besides, Iano seems to be facing off with you right now.
Ringo writes:
You seem to be handling that challenge pretty well
I'm a 4.0 + student at college, and have kept that grade point average for three (going on four) semesters. I am a religion major and am also going to get a writing certificate.

The question below is off topic and nobodies business anyway. Please do not respond to it.

BTW: since you have said to have gone to numerous evangelical Churches, do you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
This message has been edited by AdminJar, 05-03-2006 10:45 AM

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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ringo
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Message 107 of 111 (308758)
05-03-2006 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by iano
05-03-2006 9:44 AM


Re: When Adam Met Steve
iano writes:
Sin exists. This was made by God.
Of course. How could anything be a sin unless God said so?
That is why God paid the price for sin.
There was no "price" to pay. All He had to do was forgive us.
He paid the price for his own sin.
Who said anything about "His own sin"?

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ringo
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Message 108 of 111 (308768)
05-03-2006 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by LudoRephaim
05-03-2006 10:57 AM


LudoRephaim writes:
I am freeing myself from this debate, and that is a command from scripture.
You are welcome to withdraw, though a suggestion in an epistle to somebody else is not really a "command from scripture" to you.
Titus 3:9 states that believers should avoid foolish controversies as well as Quarrels about the Law....
This controversy is not foolish, nor is it strictly speaking about the Law - so it doesn't fit either of the Titus criteria. (Lack of controversy doesn't fit well on a debate board either. )
Notice that Titus 3 goes on to say:
quote:
Tit 3:10 A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
I would never reject you, after the first second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh... admonition.

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iano
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Message 109 of 111 (308773)
05-03-2006 12:46 PM
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05-03-2006 12:04 PM


The Lord give it - the Lord take it away QED?
Obviously. Nothing that exists was made except by Him.
Does sin exist?
If so was it not made by God - given the above statement of yours?

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ringo
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Message 110 of 111 (308780)
05-03-2006 1:05 PM
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05-03-2006 12:46 PM


Re: The Lord give it - the Lord take it away QED?
iano writes:
Does sin exist? If so was it not made by God
I said that "Nothing that exists was made except by Him". Whether or not sin "exists" in a metaphysical sense, God created us with the ability to sin (a.k.a. "free will"). Call sin a "characteristic" of His creation, if you like.
Suppose an automobile manufacturer "creates" an SUV that has a tendency to roll over at fairly low speeds. That tendency is built into the design - it is either a design fault or a deliberate descision made by the designer (e.g. to sacrifice safety for increased cargo capacity).
If the SUV does roll over, it is not the SUV's fault. The creation did not create itself, nor could it create its own flaws.
The driver might be able to avoid some rollovers, but ultimately the flaw is in the design itself.
So, what about Adam and Eve?

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Message 111 of 111 (308944)
05-03-2006 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by LudoRephaim
05-02-2006 1:02 PM


The idea that predators ate plants and mushrooms is simply asanine.
There's no other way to say it.

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