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simple  Inactive Member |
I could. But I thought this was a science forum?
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freelancer Inactive Member |
I'll start all the way back at the beginning here
quote: You forget that all carnvores are fuly capible of being sustained on herbivoric food.
quote: Man, that's a big Ark! The ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. That's more then big enough for all the animals and their food.
quote: I'll anwser that with a quote quote: quote: Do to have proof that the fig wasp in it's individual species, exhisted back during the flood?
quote: I do not have the anwser to that off the top of my head, however, the ark wasn't meant to be a pleasure cruse.
quote: Who says he did?
quote: There was only one culture before the flood - the Tower of Babel (post-flood) split the people into different languages and cultures.
quote: Before the flood the earth was covered by a heavy water canopy (the waters of the heavens), this accounts for the fact that there was an equal, nearly tropical climate everywhere. Because of the canopy the O2 level in the air was much higher thus resulting in age increase and gigantism (the humble 18in Sloth used to be 16ft tall). When the canopy dissapered, the higher concintration of O2 left and age decreased. We know for a fact that there did use to be a much higher concintration of O2 because of air trapped in amber.
quote: Due to the all around equal climate there would have been no problem with having all different species of animals in one area. Besides, God made the animals, God can collect them.
quote: The animals and Noah had to wait 6 months before they could leave tha Ark, that was by far enough time to let all the plants re-grow and vegitation to spread.
quote: Flood = water
quote: Just because there was a flood doesn't mean there was rough seas. And besides, all coral can survive underwater.
quote: I believe I alread anwsered that. Babel.
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Let's start with the most basic low-level questions:
How do they shove all the shit that the animals generated? What about silkworms? (only eat mulberry leaves) What about Koalas? (only eat eucalyptus leaves) How was food stored with out it spoiling? How did the animals get exercise? How did such a small crew feed so many animals? (if the food is stored in container - that increases the time it takes to get it and put it out)
quote: BUZZZZ - nope - many marine animals require a certain temperature, other require (or conversely don't like)fresh water.
quote: It had three levels didn't it? so that's about 15 feet per level, so when you take into account the beams to support the structure - that's ??? 12??? 13??? feet? How did Giraffes and dinosaurs* get in there? * It's a common creationist claim that dinosaurs lived with man. Edited by CK, : fishy fishy. Edited by CK, : add dimensions of the ark Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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freelancer Inactive Member |
quote: All the animals were brought aboard according to their kind. The word kind in that case basically means genus. So, the silkworms themselves wouldn't have been brought aboard, but ancestors and members of genus Bombyx would have been. It's called micro-evolution.
quote: Sames as before. (But Koalas can eat more then eucalyptus leaves.)
quote: If stored properly most natural foods can last for a very long time without rotting
quote: The animals would have only taken up about 29-30% of the ark, plenty of room for exserise.
quote: The ark didn't need to be directed, thus the people could have put their full work into keeping the animals. 8 people actually is a fairly decent sized crew to take care of what was specuated to be about 2,000 individual animals.
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
8 people to take care of 2000* animals? is that a joke?
I'm from a farming community and done my share of mucking out and I'm afraid that's bull, it is no way shape true that quote:. That's just rubbish. Even with modern technology and space - trying to care for the needs of so many "kinds" with their differing needs? Have you REALLY thought about what that would take? As mentioned earlier in the thread:
quote: And they had time to walk them? and they had time to muck out? and they had time to take care of sickness? and they had time to trim the hooves and like of many of the animals? and they had time to SLEEP? and they had time to EAT? * where do you get your 2000 animal figure from? that's much lower than I've seen before from a creationist. Edited by CK, : typos.
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freelancer Inactive Member |
quote: Look closly, it says Mammals
quote: What gave you the idea that the ark had three levels? That's not in the Bible and it's not true. I don't know for sure but I bet it only had one.
quote: dinosaurs and man did exhist together. Why else do you think we find paintings of dinosaurs on cave walls? What do you think this is a picture of? http://www.biblelandstudios.com/nuke/images/upload/c1.gif But, in order for dinosaurs to get on the ark (giraffes are no problem - they aren't 45 ft tall) you only have to bring on babies. The big dinosaurs were old ones, you can find many fosils of young small dinosaurs that eavily could have fit in the ark.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Thank you freelancer. We have not had that come up in years. You just made our day.
freelander writes: dinosaurs and man did exhist together. Why else do you think we find paintings of dinosaurs on cave walls? What do you think this is a picture of? http://www.biblelandstudios.com/nuke/images/upload/c1.gif Now we know that NOTHING from Biblelandstudios.com is worth paying attention too. I'll check to see what other gems biblelandstudios has for us. Edited by jar, : fix name of really funny link Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: *Blink* Did you really just say that? Do you want to stick with that as an answer - the ark has one level? It was just one big space within it's hull? Is that what you are saying? As for the "dino" picture - LOOK at it - really LOOK at it - don't you see a problem? Edited by CK, : Dino time!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Oh, deary me. Freelancer, have you even bothered to read beyond the first page of this thread?
I thought not. Your "points" have already been answered. Demolished, to be more precise. We can do it again, if you really want to, but it would sure be cute if you could try to come up with something new.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
What gave you the idea that the ark had three levels? That's not in the Bible and it's not true And you haven't read your own book either?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
The ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. That's more then big enough for all the animals and their food. Obviously not, however: I guess it may be large enough to store viable populations of all single-celled organisms, which after the flood could have evolved from their "kinds" into the diverse fauna we see today. Kind of a post-flood micro-macro evolution.
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freelancer Inactive Member |
quote: 400 people. Don't forget that those 400 people include, cashiers, security officers, garbage colectors, janitors, managers, gift shop workers and vendors. If you divide everyone up you'll find that the people who actually work with the animals are much fewer then you thought. Possibly as low as 20. And those 20 people don't live there and work normal, eight-hour shifts. Noah worked longer then eight hours a day, I can tell you that.
quote: You live in a farming community, ovbiously you don't live on a farm. 2 animals (2 of each kind) is not too much work. feeding/ caring for 2 animals would only take about 10 minutes. x8 people you get 16 animals every 10 minutes. That's 2000 every 20 or so hours. But, you also have to factor in the fact that many animals can go into hibernation and stay there for a good period of time. If even a quarter of the animals did that you would have a much easier job.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
What do you think this is a picture of? http://www.biblelandstudios.com/nuke/images/upload/c1.gif The picture is from a joke website called Onyate Man perpetrated, I beleieve, by members of the New Mexicans for Science and Reason. Dave Thomas, the president, may be seen? as the individual on the left side of the third picture on the Onyate Man hoax (or is it satire?) website. He is a prominent figure on Panda's Thumb and while an aquaintance to me is a close friend of many of my friends (meaning he is a lot more real than this hoax). {ABE - thanks to Jar for letting me know about the Onyate Man website in chat} BTW, where did you get this picture from? I am curious. Edited by anglagard, : Appropriate credit Edited by anglagard, : more credit.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Since you're making wild assed guesses as to the workers needed we still havn't a good idea of what is needed.
I'm pretty sure your estimates are, deliberately, shooting low. How's this for a high one (NOTE -- I agree that it is too high). The Anchorage zoo has 3 keepers dedicated to the care, companionship and training of ONE elephant.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
on the Onyate Man hoax (or is it satire?) website It was an April Fool's joke, as I remember. Sucked in several creationist websites, even with "Pilar Pendeja" as a digger. 'Course, you need a bit of MexiSpanish to know that last name is a naughty word.
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