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Topic: What are you? EvC poll
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Phat
Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
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Message 31 of 126 (306573)
04-25-2006 7:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by 1.61803
04-24-2006 10:06 PM
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Are these the only options?
1.61803 writes: Dualist or Monist and explain your reasons why you think that. Are these the only choices?
Concise CD writes: Dualism In philosophy, any pair of irreducible, mutually heterogeneous principles used to analyze the nature and origins of knowledge (epistemological dualism) or to explain all of reality or some broad aspect of it (metaphysical dualism); also, any theory that employs dualisms. Examples of epistemological dualisms are subject and object and sensation and sensibilia; examples of metaphysical dualisms are mind and matter, good and evil, and God and world. Dualism is distinguished from monism and pluralism. Monism In metaphysics, the doctrine that the world is essentially one substance or contains only one kind of substance. Monism is opposed both to dualism and to pluralism. Examples of monism include materialism, pantheism, and metaphysical idealism. See also Benedict de Spinoza. Given that these are the definitions, I consider myself more dualistic. NIV writes: John 3:6-- Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
I certainly dont have a metaphysical belief system that I am awaer of, but I do not think that flesh and spirit are a monastic union.
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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 126 (306579)
04-25-2006 8:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by nwr
04-25-2006 2:30 PM
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Re: What Is Material?
nwr writes: That's a misunderstanding. Scientists are saying that what we study is material. Whether or not there is an immaterial substance is a matter of personal decision. However, if there is an immaterial substance, it cannot be studied by the methods of science. But if what humans call supernateral does exist, it is material which exists in a form that we cannot yet scientifically detect by means that secularist science insists upon limiting themselves to. It is by no means immaterial. The evidence for it must come from other means than the evidence secularists deem acceptable, such as historically verified fulfilled prophecy, archeological verification of events of history which secularists refuse to study, ingrained spiritual tendency of humans shown to be prevalent from the earliest cultures known, et al. This, btw, is why I vote monist. There is only one many faceted material and that material is everything that exists in the universe, including Jehovah, creator himself. The name Jehovah means the existing one. So the spiritual is a unique material dimension of that which many of us are claiming to having evidence of existing. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 04-25-2006 08:44 PM
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Message 33 of 126 (306581)
04-25-2006 8:51 PM
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current poll results
Monist = 8 Phi Scharifinator BrennaKimi Omnivorous EZscience RickJB Modulous Buzzsaw Dualist = 2 BradMcfall Phatboy Still yet undecided =2 Robinrohan NWR ** forgot buzz came out of the closet as a monist. lol This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-25-2006 08:51 PM This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-25-2006 08:53 PM This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-25-2006 09:02 PM
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 34 of 126 (306582)
04-25-2006 8:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by 1.61803
04-25-2006 8:51 PM
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Re: current poll results
Monist - but not dogmatically so.
Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after
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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 126 (306584)
04-25-2006 9:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by 1.61803
04-25-2006 8:51 PM
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Re: current poll results
Wholistic monist = monist for the purpose of the poll. Buz(one z)saw is rock solidly monist. 
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Re: current poll results
So if I pulled the Tigers tail, could I convince you to be a dualist?
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 37 of 126 (306588)
04-25-2006 9:10 PM
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Monist, under the OP definition, and antiphilosophicallabelist.
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macaroniandcheese 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Message 38 of 126 (306603)
04-25-2006 10:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by 1.61803
04-25-2006 6:25 PM
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Re: hocus pocus
i didn't say it was supernatural, you did. i assume nothing of the sort. i simply suggested that it's something that we don't know about that is as yet imperceivable from within only the four main dimensions that humans use.
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iano
Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 39 of 126 (306638)
04-26-2006 5:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by 1.61803
04-24-2006 10:06 PM
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1.6 writes: Then on the other side of the camp is the folks who believe that everything is just one stuff. The monist. Monist. There is just one stuff. God. Everything is a derivative of that.
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robinrohan
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Message 40 of 126 (306644)
04-26-2006 6:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 39 by iano
04-26-2006 5:40 AM
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Monist. There is just one stuff. God. Everything is a derivative of that. Whatver it might be drivative of, the question is whether there is only one type of reality. What about "mentality" and "physicality"?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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He is the original I AM, we're derivative i am's
He is the only reality. The derivitives aren't so much realities as derivatives. The spiritual realm, the intellectual realm, the physical realm, the emotional realm, the undiscovered realms. Without his making it so there would be no derivative realities. There would be just the reality of him. Therefore talk of 'reality' is talk of pseudo-reality Edited to clarify - sloppy prose This message has been edited by iano, 26-Apr-2006 11:51 AM
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robinrohan
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Message 42 of 126 (306665)
04-26-2006 8:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 41 by iano
04-26-2006 6:41 AM
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Re: He is the original I AM, we're derivative i am's
Therefore talk of 'reality' is talk of pseudo-reality The world we experience is not real?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1972 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Re: He is the original I AM, we're derivative i am's
The world we experience is not real? Think The Matrix. Time is a virtual bubble in the reality called eternity. Eternity has no elapsing time. Think "I AM", not I was or will be. Being created in a bubble called time which exists in eternity means we are eternal too. And when the bubble bursts, back to it we shall go. But to think of the bubble as anything but a derivative reality, a virtual reality is to think in error. This thread was supposed to be fun. Thinking about what eternity is like makes ones head hurt.
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ThingsChange
Member (Idle past 5957 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: 02-04-2004
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Message 44 of 126 (306688)
04-26-2006 10:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by 1.61803
04-24-2006 10:06 PM
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are you trying for a record on replies to one post?
I am a monist, by your definition ... except for a past event when God borrowed water from one parallel universe, flooded Earth in our universe, and then returned to the water to the parallel universe where they worship God and the "Great Evaporation" miracle.
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1.61803
Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: 02-19-2004
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Re: hocus pocus
Bennakimi writes: i didn't say it was supernatural, you did. i assume nothing of the sort. quote:
Message 24 4/25/06
"i see no reason why the same issue may be responsible for preventing a perception of a "spirit dimension".
Bennakimi writes: i simply suggested that it's something that we don't know about that is as yet imperceivable from within only the four main dimensions that humans use. What is this IT you are refering to that we do not percieve and know about existing in other dimentions? I wrote that if there is anything that exist outside of the fundlemental elements of what makes up our universe (regardless of what dimention) and what ever this substance is, is not created or manifested by the fundlemental forces of nature then it is by definition supernatural. If you do not believe in the supernatural then you are admitting by default that what ever these things / substances / spirits / hobgoblins/ sprites/ fairies/. etc.... are natural. And if natural are subject to the laws of physics which govern energy and matter in our universe. If this is true then they are part of the same reality and cut from the same cosmic fabric we are and hence are in keeping with monism. *edit quote correction This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-26-2006 10:43 AM
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