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Author Topic:   Does God negate the need for his own existence?
boolean
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03-29-2006 7:52 AM


I was wondering today if the very fact that God exists contradicts that God would need to exist in the first place.
When it comes to figuring out what happened before the big bang, there are two main lines of thought:
1) God has been around for eternity, and he created the universe
2) The pre-big bang universe has always been there in a very small state
People will say though that the universe had to come from something, and since something cant come from nothing, it makes sense that God created the universe. When asked where God came from, the general consensus seems to be that he has been around for eternity, and since he created the laws we live by (such as time), he doesn’t actually have a beginning.
There seems to be a bit of a paradox in this though. It’s wrong to say that the universe could start from absolutely nothing, but didn’t the same happen to God? Essentially he is something (a god), and he obviously came from nothing himself, so we could go straight back and say the universe then could have come from nothing on its own too (because obviously something can come from nothing). One can't be true without the other being true, and an endless cycle suddenly emerges.
Is it any more reasonable to say God came from nothing and existed for eternity over saying the universe came from nothing and existed for eternity? Isn't the only reason the universe needs a creator the same event that created the creator (ie. something coming from nothing)? If God is real, does he negate the need for his own existence?

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03-30-2006 5:42 AM
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03-29-2006 7:52 AM


Which Forum
Nicely done.
Do you have an idea of which forum you would like have this in?
Big Bang or Faith and Belief maybe?

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boolean
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Message 3 of 4 (299545)
03-30-2006 6:51 AM
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03-30-2006 5:42 AM


Re: Which Forum
Cheers =)
The Faith and Belief forum would be good

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03-30-2006 12:36 PM


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