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Message 16 of 968 (5182)
02-20-2002 12:54 PM
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02-19-2002 10:50 PM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Coluld there not be the result of a partial falsification?
I've been thinking about the human fossil in the preCambrian senario.
If such a thing were found, would it falsify the TOE in it's entirety? Or would it stand to the side as an unexplained annomaly?
Would it mearly put a really big dent in the TOE?
After all, there still would be a massive amount of valid scientific support for the TOE.
Moose

One thing's for sure, even if it was proven that the human fossil was NOT pre cambrian in origin, it would STILL be in Answers In Genesis as a falsification.
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Message 17 of 968 (8453)
04-11-2002 1:30 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by minnemooseus:
[b]This little packet appears all over the place, as the qualities that a valid theory should have.
It should have:
1) testable hypotheses[/QUOTE]
[/b]
I will confidently assert that this will be what Newton meant in the unpublished "conclusion" In the PRINCIPIA as to what genetic information could be garnered should electric fish electric wave forms be subjected to classic mendelian analysis (i.e. any genetic hypothesis that would then have to be tested and if confirmed the (the hypothesis) Cohen attempts to interpret Newton's use there of of. [QUOTE][b]
2) confirming evidence [/QUOTE]
[/b]
If true confirming evidence would be able to go beyond Lerner's concept of population genetics no matter the dispute between Fisher and Wright [QUOTE][b]
3) potential falsifications[/QUOTE]
[/b]
accrue from showing that the overlap of data bases explored data correlations would have had a science with two much mechanics (Newtonina + electromagnetic) for the same geometry BUT DIFFERENT geographies. This would approve then of not making a hypothesis but using one in the process of working FROM Newton's idea to whatever this would be by then.

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Message 18 of 968 (50667)
08-15-2003 2:29 PM


A bump and a closure
The subject matter of this topic is also that of a more recently started topic (1 piece of evidence to disprove evolution..). I think (biased opinion)this topic has much going for it, thus I'm giving it a bump.
I, however, don't think the two topics should be competing for the same messages, so I am also closing this one. Besides, that saves having to copy it to a different forum, rather than it being in the "Great Debate".
I'll also get a link to this topic, into that other topic.
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Message 19 of 968 (51554)
08-21-2003 1:32 PM


Thread moved here from the The Great Debate forum.

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Message 20 of 968 (51557)
08-21-2003 1:37 PM
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Re: A bump and a closure (now a reopening)
quote:
The subject matter of this topic is also that of a more recently started topic (1 piece of evidence to disprove evolution..). I think (biased opinion)this topic has much going for it, thus I'm giving it a bump.
I, however, don't think the two topics should be competing for the same messages, so I am also closing this one. Besides, that saves having to copy it to a different forum, rather than it being in the "Great Debate".
Well, the above mentioned topic went badly off-topic, and was closed. Then, by popular demand, it was reopened.
I've reopened this topic, and moved it to the "Evolution" forum. I expect to be highly intolerant to off-topic diversions.
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Message 21 of 968 (51584)
08-21-2003 3:25 PM
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08-21-2003 1:37 PM


Gosh, I miss Brad.
I think that in the same way that molecular/ genetic data provides some of the best evidence for evolution so it should be a fertile area to look for falsifications. If two closely related species were found to have radically different mechanisms of development for example, as opposed to the highly conserved developmental systems we see between highly divergent species, i.e. fly and mouse.

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Message 22 of 968 (292509)
03-05-2006 6:30 PM


Bump - Also currently a relevant active topic at "Panda's Thumb"
How to Disprove Evolution? at "The Panda's Thumb".
Much of what was mentioned there was mentioned upthread here.
Yes, this is essentially a "bare link" message. But I thought the "PT" article deserved flagging, and this topic seemed to be the place to do it.
Moose

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Message 23 of 968 (297331)
03-22-2006 1:58 PM


ToE Falsified
A friendly reminder that Dr. Scott's invulnerable refutation of Darwinism, that is my paper unloading the full weight and ramifications is still being written.
Natural Selection
Human Evolution
Common Ancestry
Macroevolution
Theistic Evolution
All of the above will be proven false: get some sleep while you can.
The Bible will be proven absolutely true.
When I am finished I will contact Admin Asgara and shortly thereafter I will proceed to forever rub it in your Darwinian faces.
your enemy,
Ray Martinez, life-long student of Dr. Gene Scott

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Message 24 of 968 (297332)
03-22-2006 2:01 PM
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Re: ToE Falsified
Sadly, with our God sense removed we will be unable to appreciate your efforts.

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Message 25 of 968 (297400)
03-22-2006 6:13 PM
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03-05-2006 6:30 PM


Re: Bump - Also currently a relevant active topic at "Panda's Thumb"
My suspicion is that the logical difference of series and sequences accounts for the failure to relate phenotypes and possible geographic types. I think this must have been what Wright chastised Provine for in the 80s when I was learning there was more to the nose of an electric fish than Lewontin thought in coupled differential equations of the tail of a snake. I now see that form in molecular realm is where any disproof is going to come from but it needs to be through some development to NAME supramolecular aggregates naturally and not be simply the same issue of any old Behe 'design' no matter the life. I guess I must have missed WK in 2003 here.

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Message 26 of 968 (297404)
03-22-2006 6:35 PM
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03-22-2006 1:58 PM


Re: ToE Falsified
Wow, that should be interesting. I've read a great many Creationist attempts to refute Evolution, it would be interesting to read one that was able to do what it claimed.

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Message 27 of 968 (297423)
03-22-2006 7:46 PM
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03-22-2006 1:58 PM


Re: ToE Falsified
Sin of Pride, Ray. Even a favored angel can fall to it.
I think we're all looking forward to reading your paper.
Wishing you no ill will whatsoever,
Belfry

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Message 28 of 968 (297443)
03-22-2006 8:30 PM
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03-22-2006 1:58 PM


Re: ToE Falsified
Hi Ray.
Just out of interest (and I am genuinely interested in what your paper will have to say) do you have any sort of a handle on when you're going to publish.
Are we talking sometime this year for example?

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

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Message 29 of 968 (297450)
03-22-2006 9:55 PM
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02-20-2002 7:58 AM


not quite ...
Finding remains TOO EARLY says that the whole evolutionary tree
is wrong.
Actually there are several instances where this has happened and caused a restructuring of the local evolutionary tree (ie just around the fossil) - what were assumed to be ancestors are essentially shown to be cousins.
Neanderthals as one example, but also see horse evolution
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/vertpaleo/fhc/Stratmap1.htm
You'll have to hunt around the site a bit for a complete picture.
The fossil would have to be significantly out of sequence -- and it would need to bridge some significant transitional ("macro"evolutionary) event: say a fossil with a mammalian ear before therapsids.
Another thing that would falsify evolution would be a horizontal transfer of a significant feature from one species to another: say the appearance fully formed of an octopus type eye in a mammal (light sensors facing the light and fixed lens with focus accomplished by changing the whole eyeball shape -- without any transitional stages to turn the retina around or move the muscles from shaping the lens to shaping the eyeball.
Or a combination of mammal and octopus eye so that you can change the lens focal length and the shape of the eyeball and have telescopic vision.
These last two kind of things are what one should expect if ID were involved in species change btw.
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Message 30 of 968 (297455)
03-22-2006 10:30 PM
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03-22-2006 8:30 PM


Publication Date
Awhile ago he gave an April date. I've not heard any change yet.

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