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EZscience
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Message 6 of 45 (296145)
03-17-2006 7:35 AM
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03-17-2006 1:24 AM


Quantum mysticism
Funny actually. I just read this story in the NY Times science section the other day entitled "Far Out, Man. But Is It Quantum Physics?" This crap seems to be just the kind of drivel they were talking about.
Physicists have been at war for the last century trying to explain how it is that the fog of quantum possibilities prescribed by mathematical theory can condense into one concrete actuality, what physicists call "collapsing the wavefunction." Half a century ago the physicist and Nobel Prize winner Eugene Wigner ventured that consciousness was the key to this mysterious process.
When it comes to physics, people seem to need to kid themselves. There is a presumption, Dr. Albert said, that if you look deeply enough you will find "some reaffirmation of your own centrality to the world, a reaffirmation of your ability to take control of your own destiny." We want to know that God loves us, that we are the pinnacle of evolution.
But one of the most valuable aspects of science, he said, is precisely the way it resists that temptation to find the answer we want. That is the test that quantum mysticism flunks, and on some level we all flunk.
Interestingly, religious interests always seem anxious to reward mysticism in science. Dr. John D Barrow, admittedly an excellent mathematician, but much less of an actual physicist, has just won the richest religious prize in the world, the $1.4 million Templeton Prize that he will receive in Buckingham Palace on May 3.
Barrow is co-author of The Anthropic Cosmological Principle that is a thought-provoking consideration of all the seemingly improbable mathematical coincidences of the physical world and a book widely hailed (or criticized) by science philosophers as 'scientific mysticism' at its most mathematically elegant.

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EZscience
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Message 9 of 45 (296221)
03-17-2006 11:31 AM
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03-17-2006 11:05 AM


Nothing is ever lost...
Except the ability to distinguish actual science from mysticism.

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EZscience
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Message 10 of 45 (296225)
03-17-2006 11:36 AM
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03-17-2006 10:55 AM


Re: Quantum mysticism
Son Goku writes:
Barrow's pop-science books land somewhere between the Brian Greene-type and the Michio Kaku type.
Interesting. I happen to have owned the An. Cosm. Principle since it came out, but I haven't read any of Barrow's more popular books. I know he has written quite a few. I assume they were written to be a little more accessible to lay people than ACP was.

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