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NosyNed
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Message 136 of 147 (285490)
02-10-2006 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by randman
02-10-2006 12:37 AM


Re: Lousy analogies - wrong
If you could read RM you'd note that EP was saying that evolution could not produce what we see. While not yet giving evidence that it has actually done it EP has been shown to be wrong in a number of posts here. The fact that neither EP nor you have paid any attention to those posts doesn't make them go away.
He is wrong.

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AdminWounded
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Message 137 of 147 (285540)
02-10-2006 12:30 PM


Chirality
Could the discussion relating to chirality please be moved to the new 'The Recurrent Problem of Chirality' thread.
Many thanks,
AW

  
inkorrekt
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Message 138 of 147 (293768)
03-09-2006 7:35 PM
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02-09-2006 11:07 PM


Re: Lousy analogies
very simple question to you. I have been told that we had acommon ancestor and we have evolved from apes. Alright. What do we become after mankind? If we are still evolving, then we must disappear and a new species must begin. Can you predict what will we become? Humanoid perhaps!!!!

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jar
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Message 139 of 147 (293777)
03-09-2006 7:50 PM
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03-09-2006 7:35 PM


why would apes or humans disappear?
very simple question to you. I have been told that we had acommon ancestor and we have evolved from apes. Alright. What do we become after mankind? If we are still evolving, then we must disappear and a new species must begin. Can you predict what will we become? Humanoid perhaps!!!!
Why would you think either apes or humans would disappear? Humans are still evolving, and pretty quickly. And, like the rest of the great apes, we exist right along side of our cousins the monkeys.
Evolution does not mean that the earlier species necessarily dies out. Most likely the next version of what ever humans will become is living among us today.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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AlgolagniaVolcae
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Message 140 of 147 (293848)
03-10-2006 3:54 AM


It may just be me(and it might've been gone over before), but how could ID be used to prove the religious aspect of Creationism? It would only prove someone had a hand in creating us, it would not however prove the existence of god.
It could just as easily be an advanced culture from space(as some people believe already). ID supports both beliefs.

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ramoss
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Message 141 of 147 (293881)
03-10-2006 7:51 AM
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03-10-2006 3:54 AM


The problem with I.D. being a species from outer space is the quesdtion how did that species come into beling. It would have to be "as complex" as we are, and therefore life as it would have either needed to be 'created' by another race, or formed naturally. If it formed natuarlly, why add it into the equation for life on earth? IF it had to have a helping hand from another designer, where did that designer come from?
Now, if you ask the major proponents of I.D., they will admit that they believe this intelligent designer is god. (Behe did it in court in the Dover trial).
Combined with the lack of evidence and testing methology, the logical conumdrum about 'where did the intelligent designer come from', and the strong statements by all the major propoents they think the 'intelligent designer' is god makes "Intellignet design" a religious movement, not science.

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AlgolagniaVolcae
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Message 142 of 147 (293882)
03-10-2006 7:57 AM
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03-10-2006 7:51 AM


That was going to be my response, who created god? Did he form naturally?
I find it very hard to believe he just sat around in the dark for billions of years(despite what the age of earth might be he would still have existed for billions of years before hand) and then decided, "I need a hobby." thus the universe as we know it was born.
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inkorrekt
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Message 143 of 147 (295305)
03-14-2006 4:48 PM
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03-09-2006 7:50 PM


Re: why would apes or humans disappear?
Alright, we will not disappear. What will we become? I am not aMormon. But, Mormons believe that through aprocess of evolution, man can become a God. Hindus also believe that through evolution, man can become one with God. I cannot believe any of these two. However, from the Scientific point of view, what will we become?

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ReverendDG
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Message 144 of 147 (295318)
03-14-2006 6:03 PM
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03-14-2006 4:48 PM


Re: why would apes or humans disappear?
Alright, we will not disappear. What will we become? I am not aMormon. But, Mormons believe that through aprocess of evolution, man can become a God. Hindus also believe that through evolution, man can become one with God. I cannot believe any of these two. However, from the Scientific point of view, what will we become?
I'm sorry but the stuff about mormons and hindus is just plain wrong, neather of them believe this. As for what we might become, who knows, we don't really evolve that much anymore since we can effect our envirerment more than it affects us. We might become more immune to disease or cancer maybe or through technology lose the need for legs and arms. Its hard to say with humans, but i'm leaning tward killing ourselves in the next 200 years

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jar
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Message 145 of 147 (295347)
03-14-2006 8:04 PM
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03-14-2006 4:48 PM


Re: why would apes or humans disappear?
Well, your comments about the Mormons and Hindu are simply wrong.
As to what we will evolve into? No one knows. It's entirely possible that we may be something closer to our current cousins, or we might be as different from what we are today as today's human is from what we were 500,000 years ago.
It all depends on what happens.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Wounded King
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Message 146 of 147 (295429)
03-15-2006 5:04 AM
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03-14-2006 6:03 PM


Re: why would apes or humans disappear?
As for what we might become, who knows, we don't really evolve that much anymore since we can effect our envirerment more than it affects us.
Any evidence to back up that assertion? I know this is a popular theory but there is little, if anything, to suggest that it is actually the case. Cerainly there has still been considerable evolution in humanity's recent past as a recent paper in PLOS has shown (Voight, et al. 2006).
TTFN,
WK

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inkorrekt
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Message 147 of 147 (295612)
03-15-2006 3:34 PM
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03-15-2006 5:04 AM


Re: why would apes or humans disappear?
According to the assumptions by Mormons, Hindus and evolutionists, if we do not become Gods, then may be we will devolve??? Into what???????
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