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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The Cambrian explosion entailed as much variety of life as we see today. The idea that it is just "one instance" is laughable. If ToE cannot account for the Cambrian explosion, it is well-nigh useless.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Actually, the genetic evidence seems to point to most major phyla having separated from one another about 500 million years before the Cambian. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1630 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But do not random mutation and natural selection consist of the bulk of evidentiary claims for ToE, and moreover, haven't evos (perhaps even yourself) argued that ToE can be falsified by whether natural selection and random mutation can account for macroevolution, or are all those claims that microevolution is macroevolution and really all the evidence you need just so much hot air? See my Message #3.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1630 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The Cambrian explosion entailed as much variety of life as we see today. Substantiation?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
What genetic evidence?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The criticism of ID is that it never happens What never happens? Please explain.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1630 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What is this, a David Ives play? See message 6.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Interpreting the fauna of the Cambrian explosion raises two deep and distinct issues, often confused in Conway Morris's commentary but providing a good framework for exemplifying our differences. First, a question of origins: How could so much anatomical variety evolve so quickly? In particular, must novel evolutionary mechanisms be proposed for such a burst of activity? Second, a question of consequences: How many distinct lineages arose in the Cambrian explosion? How many survived to leave modern organisms as descendants? Why have no new animal phyla (with the single exception of Bryozoa) evolved in more than 500 million years since the Cambrian explosion? Top Cash Earning Games in India 2022 | Best Online Games to earn real money
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Crash, all major life forms and more creatures than exist today appeared in the Cambrian explosion. To dismiss this as "one instance" is patently absurd.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 148 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
But do not random mutation and natural selection consist of the bulk of evidentiary claims for ToE, They are the biggest elements of evolutionary theory, and the easiest to describe. However, plenty of other mechanisms have been discussed on this board. I'm not au fait with them all, but things like horizontal transfer and epigenetics are among them as well as recombination.
and moreover, haven't evos (perhaps even yourself) argued that ToE can be falsified by whether natural selection and random mutation can account for macroevolution Not that I'm aware of. If such an argument was used, I imagine it was a simplification.
or are all those claims that microevolution is macroevolution and really all the evidence you need just so much hot air? I don't think the claim that microevolution is macroevolution holds particular water...I suspect that this argument is put forward as an illustration that the mechanisms are the same and there isn't a line between them. I don't know which EvC debate you've been reading but that is certainly not the extent of the evidence for macroevolution. I have two threads open that discuss in some way the evidence.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1630 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Fascinating, but that's not what I asked for. Did you forget what you were supposed to be supporting?
quote: Or am I just wasting my time asking you to support your assertions?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
The reason I ask is such analysis must be based on belief that the molecular clock is valid, which seems to me that evos like to employ at times and other times reject.
But it doesn't matter. The fact the genetic "evidence" contradicts the fossil evidence is to be expected if ToE models are wrong. The genetic evidence suggests a huge span of time was involved, you claim 500 million years, but the fossil evidence indicates only a 2-3 million year window for all of this to take place, and so the genetic evidence is actually very strong evidence against current evolutionist explanations here.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Why have no new animal phyla (with the single exception of Bryozoa) evolved in more than 500 million years since the Cambrian explosion? I think crash you just aren't that aware of how diverse life was at the Cambrian era. You not only had many extinct dinosaurs, but even semi-aquatic mammals.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 5062 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I don't think the claim that microevolution is macroevolution holds particular water...I suspect that this argument is put forward as an illustration that the mechanisms are the same and there isn't a line between them. But you suspect microevolution based on natural selection of mutations and variation cannot explain all the data, right? It cannot explain the macroevolution of the Cambrian explosion, right? Basicaly, if ToE cannot explain the Cambrian explosion, it is useless. Clearly, there is something else involved creating such an explosion of life.
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