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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 1 of 15 (284518)
02-06-2006 10:41 PM


Scottish Declaration of Independance.
http://www.constitution.org/scot/arbroath.htm
"Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today."
All of the Scottish lords who signed the text did so by attaching their seals:
http://www.abcog.org/gifs/arbroath.jpg
The Scots are claiming to be ancestors of scattered 10 tribe Israel.
Ray

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Message 2 of 15 (284526)
02-07-2006 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
02-06-2006 10:41 PM


One source?
Ray, what is it about this document that you want to talk about? This is not the final word on Scottish History---it merely represents one viewpoint as far as I can see...what more can you tell us that YOU know to be true? A good topic should include the authors beliefs as well as some supporting documents.
I'll let other admins add their 2 cents on this!


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    Message 3 of 15 (284531)
    02-07-2006 3:47 AM


    I'm uncertain as to what this topic will actually be discussing - this appears to be a blank statement.
    Example: "Some cookies have chocolate chips in them."
    Ok, we could start a topic with that, but there's no indication as to what the person who started the topic wants to discuss - they just made a particular statement about cookies.
    A better way to get the ball rolling would be:
    "I think chocolate chip cookies are obviously superior to other cookies."
    or
    "This {random line of evidence} shows that chocolate chip cookies are obviously superior to other cookies".
    See the difference there?

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    Message 4 of 15 (284590)
    02-07-2006 12:34 PM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
    02-06-2006 10:41 PM


    Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    Ray,
    Drugs are for mugs mate.
    When the narcotics have worn off, read the Declaration again, it doesn't even hint at what you are suggesting.
    Brian.
    PS. I am awaiting delivery of Redford's 'The Wars in Palestine and Syria of Thutmosis III' back to library before replying to the Egypt strawman thread.

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    Message 5 of 15 (284722)
    02-07-2006 6:44 PM
    Reply to: Message 4 by AdminBrian
    02-07-2006 12:34 PM


    Re: Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    read the Declaration again, it doesn't even hint at what you are suggesting.
    Then why does it say what it says, that is the quoted portion in the OP ?
    But this is matter for the debate.
    The other two Admins are clueless since I pasted the quote directly from the text.
    Anyone who does not understand the OP is declaring their uneducated status. I am well educated about Scottish and Irish history.
    Ray

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    Message 6 of 15 (284726)
    02-07-2006 6:57 PM
    Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPhat
    02-07-2006 1:06 AM


    Re: One source?
    Ray, what is it about this document that you want to talk about?
    If its not clear then you are not qualified to judge it....but like most ignorant persons they have the most to say as is seen in your next comment....
    This is not the final word on Scottish History
    Who said it was ?
    Why are you debating the topic while unpromoted ?
    The topic is narrow as guidelines suggest.
    it merely represents one viewpoint as far as I can see
    What are you talking about ? What difference does it make ? What does this have to do with promotion ?
    What viewpoint are you speaking about ? I quote from the text. Why are you making biased ignorant points ?
    The text claims ancestry from Israel. What is your blue box point talking about ?
    Here we have an enraged Darwinian Mod making senseless points holding up a topic with nonsense.
    All my questions are rhetorical.
    A good topic should include the authors beliefs as well as some supporting documents.
    What are you talking about ?
    I made my point about the text.
    I am sorry you are so angry - I withdraw the topic. I will not waste my time with a pseudo christian Fundy/Darwinian idiot like you.
    Ray Martinez

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    Message 7 of 15 (284728)
    02-07-2006 7:00 PM


    The only reason the topic is being help up by lunacy is because you cannot refute.
    Debating whether we should debate = point conceded by atheists and their TEist puppets.
    I am now 2 for 2, that is topics sabotaged by enraged Mods unable to refute. Both of my topics are only held up because you cannot refute.
    Ray Martinez
    This message has been edited by Herepton, 02-07-2006 04:02 PM

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    Message 8 of 15 (284729)
    02-07-2006 7:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 6 by Cold Foreign Object
    02-07-2006 6:57 PM


    Watch your Behaviour
    Ray, if you continue to use that kind of language you won't have to worry about getting topics approved -- you won't be posting them.

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    Message 9 of 15 (284730)
    02-07-2006 7:04 PM
    Reply to: Message 7 by Cold Foreign Object
    02-07-2006 7:00 PM


    Ray, your OP does not say what you assert, but if you really want to have it tossed out and refuted, I will promote it.
    BUT....
    it will only make you look silly.
    If you want to go ahead, please slowly re-read it and then post a response to me here. If you decide to go ahead, I'll promote it.

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    Message 10 of 15 (284731)
    02-07-2006 7:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 8 by AdminNosy
    02-07-2006 7:01 PM


    Re: Watch your Behaviour
    I will ban myself.
    There is NO valid reason for holding up the topic. Phat is enraged as they come - unable to refute = explanation of his idiotic points.
    Brian knows better. He made a debate point while not promoting.
    You atheists and Darwinits can orgy among yourselves - I get the picture. I am gone.
    Ray
    This message has been edited by Herepton, 02-07-2006 04:08 PM
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    Message 11 of 15 (284732)
    02-07-2006 7:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 5 by Cold Foreign Object
    02-07-2006 6:44 PM


    Re: Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    I looked at the OP, and I understand every word of it - the point is that you are not clear on what you want to discuss.
    You have a quote from a website, links, and a single statement: "The Scots are claiming to be ancestors of scattered 10 tribe Israel."
    How hard is it to expand a little on this? Like, perhaps, explain your own view of it, and the evidence? Why is the part about the Scottish lords important and relevent? How does any of this relate to evolution versus creationism, or bible inerrancy, and if we do promote it where should it go (other than the Coffee House)?
    Please note that AdminPhat and I are not "clueless" for asking that your OP have a little more content before we promote the topic. Regardless of how educated you or I might be, there are many posters here who do not live in the UK or Ireland and common courtesy would indicate that you offer them some kind of explanation. If you cannot be bothered to do that, why should anyone bother to respond to you?

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    Message 12 of 15 (284733)
    02-07-2006 7:07 PM
    Reply to: Message 9 by AdminJar
    02-07-2006 7:04 PM


    Don't talk about it just do it.
    Ray

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    Message 13 of 15 (284734)
    02-07-2006 7:10 PM
    Reply to: Message 11 by AdminIRH
    02-07-2006 7:07 PM


    Re: Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    You have a quote from a website
    Negative.... person who has the ability to deduce obscure fossil scraps.
    I HAVE A QUOTE FROM THE DECLARATION ITSELF.
    Ray
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    Message 14 of 15 (284736)
    02-07-2006 7:16 PM
    Reply to: Message 11 by AdminIRH
    02-07-2006 7:07 PM


    Re: Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    Rockhound:
    I know more about the history of your country than you do.
    Want a one on one debate ?
    Ireland/Hibernia/Hebrew.
    Heremon married the daughter of Zedekiah.
    waiting....
    Ray

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    Message 15 of 15 (284737)
    02-07-2006 7:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 13 by Cold Foreign Object
    02-07-2006 7:10 PM


    Re: Rabbi Brian Ishmael Yacob Abram Mactavish!
    ...which just happens to be on a website...
    Nitpick if you will, AdminJar is moving the topic as we post as far as I know.

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