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Silent H Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I like the hamas made with roasted red peppers the best. My guess is the mideast sandwich is going to get hot enough without the red peppers. holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Chiro has the idea! That is a good one too Chiroptera.
Holmes, yes, there is more to the sentence; I simply found that part hilarious. "Yes, women are equal because they produce men." O.O Awesome. The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas CharterWhat's your favorite line?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Chiro has the idea! That is a good one too Chiroptera. Yeah, but you don't seem to get the idea that the same thing can be done with things you like, for example the Bible. It doesn't seem consistent, to rip into them when your own handbook contains even worse commentary (and it doesn't have to be quote mined).
I simply found that part hilarious. "Yes, women are equal because they produce men."
Yeah, but that is a fiction of quotemining. There was an AND after that. Its not because they produce men, it is because they do that AND something else, something which if left in does not seem so silly. Look, I don't like Hamas, and I can certainly agree that an idea women are useful as they produce men would be demeaning to women to some degree. I do have to wonder if that meant "men" as in people, or as in males (it can be used both ways), but am not going to bother trying to find out. If you find mysogynist passages funny, why did you have to pick on Hamas? It looks like you are trying to point out the splinter in another person's eye so that no one notices the log in your own. By the way, have you seen any zionist literature discussing the importance of women producing children for the cause? holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Yeah, but you don't seem to get the idea that the same thing can be done with things you like, for example the Bible. You would have a point if I were ripping the Koran. But I'm not. So you don't. What I am ripping is thier political beliefs as stated in their political charter. Want to pick on mine?
US Constitution There it is. Rip away.
why did you have to pick on Hamas? Because they are a terrorist organization.
By the way, have you seen any zionist literature discussing the importance of women producing children for the cause? No I havne't. Put it in your sig. This message has been edited by Tal, 02-01-2006 10:53 AM The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men
Hamas CharterWhat's your favorite line?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
You would have a point if I were ripping the Koran. But I'm not. So you don't. What I am ripping is thier political beliefs as stated in their political charter.
??? What difference does that make? My point is that you seem to be laughing at something which exists within literature of your own professed belief system. If you laughed at some group who said "monkeys are our masters from outerspace", it seems odd to suggest I'd be errant in pointing that your religious lit says the same thing, simply because you were pointing at the other group's political lit.
Want to pick on mine? Uh, Hamas isn't a gov't its an organization. The correct analogy, if you are being so tight as to deny pointing to the Bible, would be to whatever political group you belong to. Let me know what it is and I'll see if I can find something funny in it.
Because they are a terrorist organization.
Uh yeah, but then that does not explain why you chose a quote that is essentially shared by many other people, including your own faith. holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So, Madfish, have we helped you with your political identity crisis yet?
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Tal Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
What difference does that make? My point is that you seem to be laughing at something which exists within literature of your own professed belief system. You lost me here. How is the Hamas charter literature of my own professed belief system?
Uh, Hamas isn't a gov't its an organization. Hamas is a political party, ie part of the gov't. Just read some news from the past week or, apparently they won an election.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 6080 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
How is the Hamas charter literature of my own professed belief system?
??? I said the thing you are laughing at (in their charter) exists within literature of your own professed belief system (the Bible). I'm not accusing you of supporting Hamas.
Hamas is a political party, ie part of the gov't. Just read some news from the past week or, apparently they won an election.
Hamas is a political party and thus comparisons of their charter (for them) to the Constitution (for you) would be inaccurate. Hamas is to the Palestinian gov't as X is to the US gov't. Just fill in the X... I'm assuming you are republican, but I don't want to jump to conclusions. holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Madfish Inactive Member |
No, not really.
But it's ok, I think i've sorted it out for myself.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
For lack of a better place, I'm plugging this into this topic.
Page not found - WND Apparently Bill Maher was on the Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno a couple of months ago. The above cited is an interesting read, but there was one bit that falls under "This is what I've thought, but I've never quite been able to state it so well".
quote: That's all - If it weren't for bad ideas, the neo-cons would have no ideas at all. Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1666 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So, many of us have already done this once or twice:
The Political Compass test.
my results are Economic Left/Right: -8.63Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69 Here we have the various candidates placed on the grid: The Political Compass
quote: It's kind of like Hillary is herding the GOP candidates into the corner, which has pretty much been establishment DNC doctrine since Bill, while Bernie is over there saying "this is where we should be" ... but not extreme to the left, well to the right of my and many other posters here. I tried to find the thread where I had compiled results from many people but could not find it. This was the last one I made:
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Percy Member Posts: 22955 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85 Through most of the test I thought I'd come in close to 0,0, but the test's last two pages had a bunch of religion/science/moral type questions. --Percy
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Economic Left/Right: -6.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41 Interesting test. What surprised me about my results is I leaned left further than I thought. Like Percy, once the questions started going into the religious realm and the rights of gays or the poor, I heavily leaned in one direction.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1705 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.0Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.1 |
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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I too thought I was middle of the road. Guess not.
I wonder how much is reaction to the current US politics Economic Left/Right: -6.5Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72 May explain why I wear a lot of red t-shirts. I think that page 5 sent me way left. I wonder much weight did the astrology question (strong disagree) have on the final score. I usually didn't have strong opinions. Would the religion in school (strong disagree) be right or left? I could see it a couple different ways.
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