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Author Topic:   When were angels created?
Mr. Davies
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Message 3 of 24 (27971)
12-27-2002 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by forgiven
12-26-2002 8:14 PM


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when? before time...
And you know this how?
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why? ultimately, to praise God
Why does this God need praise? If I were to create children just to sing my praises and treat them on how they praise me, not on the basis of fratricide, you'd haul me away as being a monster. A richly deserved title I may add?
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but also to make man's salvation sure thru the diverse interactions between angel and man...
This assertion is based on what?
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Message 5 of 24 (27988)
12-27-2002 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by RedVento
12-27-2002 1:26 PM


El sounds like the Sumerian gods that were around at the time. Anu is one possibility I'd consider.
Well if the OT co-opted the Gilgamesh Flood story, why not take more from the Sumarians?
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Message 10 of 24 (28011)
12-28-2002 12:49 AM
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12-27-2002 5:56 PM


An army against what? It wasn't until He made the angels that there became a devil. Why didn't God see this coming? Does He like strife?
What could this army do for a God who created everything? If God needs an army to defeat His foes, is that because A) He isn't as powerful as He says he is, B) There is more than one god and He needs to fight proxy wars, or C) He's an incomplete being who needs worship, somebody to boss around, or something else?
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Mr. Davies
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Message 12 of 24 (28024)
12-28-2002 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Delshad
12-28-2002 11:16 AM


Well, if we are incomplete then to say that we will be held responsible for our actions is just plain wrong.
Also, not holding your God or Allah, what ever name you want, is a great way of absolving your deity from the awful things it has done. That is a sham.
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Message 17 of 24 (28116)
12-30-2002 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by funkmasterfreaky
12-30-2002 7:59 AM


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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Originally posted by Mr. Davies:
An army against what? It wasn't until He made the angels that there became a devil. Why didn't God see this coming?
I'm quite sure God did see this coming.
Does He like strife?
No
No? Okay, God saw it coming, yet let it happen anyways and we're still going to be held accountable even though He did not do anything to prevent it? Is that about right?
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What could this army do for a God who created everything? If God needs an army to defeat His foes, is that because A) He isn't as powerful as He says he is, B) There is more than one god and He needs to fight proxy wars, or C) He's an incomplete being who needs worship, somebody to boss around, or something else?
For one they aren't just an army, also messangers. Who said he NEEDED an army to defeat his foes?
They why do you liken him to a king? Also, why would an omniscient, omnipresent God need messengers? Why else would he create an Army? To sing His praises? Isn't that a bit egotistical?
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There is only one God and only because he loves us does he keep evil from completely destroying us.
Yet he does not eradicate it or come down to us and show a better way that is unequevical.
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He is more powerful than you think. God is not trying to boss anyone around, you would like him to I think.
I think you're trying to say that "AS you would like to I think". If that is true, then why harden mens' hearts away from God? God's not trying to boss anyone around but yet it seems if you don't choose Him, you're toast.
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If God was bossing people around you could have all the evidence to his existance you wanted.
Yet He does not. It would solve so many of the world's problems, promote unity, stick it to evil and He won't come on down. Why is that? Freewill? Then please explain why He hardens hearts.
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Mr. Davies
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Message 19 of 24 (28201)
12-31-2002 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by RedVento
12-31-2002 9:59 AM


You mean just like in Genisis when God complains that Man and Woman had eaten the forbidden fruit He bemoans "They have become like US". Like US? Who is God talking to?
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Mr. Davies
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Message 22 of 24 (28823)
01-10-2003 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by DaveF
01-10-2003 1:25 PM


I thought devils and demons were also unable to deal with IRON. What does this say about god?
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