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nator
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Message 16 of 23 (279140)
01-15-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
01-15-2006 11:30 AM


Re: THE adventure game
I played quite a lot of Warcraft when it was just a dinky little strategy game. Very fun.
Loved the crazy suicide bomber dwarves.

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Yaro
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Message 17 of 23 (279144)
01-15-2006 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
01-15-2006 11:30 AM


Re: THE adventure game
... meh... it was ok.
I mean, I came to WoW hot off of FFXI... (which I hated). WoW was a better experience but it left the "same ol' MMO crap" taste in my mouth. No story, no real role-playing, no puzzles, no 'uniquness', just kill anything that moves.
Don't get me wrong, it's addictive, it's fun, but it's also 15$ a month for essentially a hack'n slash level-grind.
Which is why, my current online poison is Guild Wars It's free, you don't have to party with anybody, it has a decent amount of strategy, and an ok plot.
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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 23 (279153)
01-15-2006 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Yaro
01-15-2006 11:59 AM


Re: THE adventure game
No story, no real role-playing, no puzzles, no 'uniquness', just kill anything that moves.
Did we play the same game? Did you play on one of the servers specifically dedicated to role-playing? Did you delve into any of the instances, where problem-solving and puzzling are required to make it out alive?
Granted, I haven't played all that many MMO games, but I was orignally - and still am - astounded by a number of WOW's really obvious innovations, like weapons that don't disappear when you put them away, and mounts you can ride. Maybe that stuff is in the other games, but coming from solo RPG play (like NWN), that stuff blew my mind. It's so obvious and it improves immersion a hundred-fold.
I hear you about the grind but it's the funnest grind I've ever played. And honestly, as perverse as it sounds, the real game doesn't even begin until you hit 60. It's like a 60-level tutorial on how to play your class, to get you ready for battlefields and the high-end instances.
Which is why, my current online poison is Guild Wars It's free, you don't have to party with anybody, it has a decent amount of strategy, and an ok plot.
Eh, I tried it in the beta; had some fun with a Necro/Elementalist, and it is indeed fun to run around as a goth, but I don't like the way they set up their servers. I play WOW with a bunch of my buddies and, as long as we're all on the same server, we don't have to worry about zoning into the right shard or whatever; we're in the same world, always.

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Wounded King
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Message 19 of 23 (279193)
01-15-2006 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
01-15-2006 11:30 AM


Re: THE adventure game
Awww, I thought you were talking about the deservedly obscure BBC Game Show 'The Adventure Game'.
TTFN,
WK

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Yaro
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Message 20 of 23 (279202)
01-15-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
01-15-2006 12:32 PM


Re: THE adventure game
Did we play the same game? Did you play on one of the servers specifically dedicated to role-playing?
No. I didn't do that, maybe it would have been better that way. I was on a regular PvP server.
Did you delve into any of the instances, where problem-solving and puzzling are required to make it out alive?
I got to level 23 before I gave it up. I think I got to one instance area. IMHO if it takes that long to get to the game I want to play, I'd rather buy a game that has that from the get-go
Granted, I haven't played all that many MMO games, but I was orignally - and still am - astounded by a number of WOW's really obvious innovations, like weapons that don't disappear when you put them away, and mounts you can ride.
Oh ya, don't get me wrong, WOW is awsome! It's by far the best MMo I played. You are right to cite it as inovative etc. It's an excelent game, but to folks who played another MMO like FFXI, it just feels like more of the same. And that's a genera issue, not a game issue. I think the MMORPG genera is flawed.
Maybe that stuff is in the other games, but coming from solo RPG play (like NWN), that stuff blew my mind. It's so obvious and it improves immersion a hundred-fold.
Man, try Fallout and it's sequel Fallout 2, then tell me what blows your mind Those single player RPG's are incredible! No other game can touch that level of depth.
I hear you about the grind but it's the funnest grind I've ever played. And honestly, as perverse as it sounds, the real game doesn't even begin until you hit 60. It's like a 60-level tutorial on how to play your class, to get you ready for battlefields and the high-end instances.
Again, that's one of the flaws I see in the genera as a whole. The entie concept of a high-level game spoils my time
Eh, I tried it in the beta; had some fun with a Necro/Elementalist, and it is indeed fun to run around as a goth, but I don't like the way they set up their servers. I play WOW with a bunch of my buddies and, as long as we're all on the same server, we don't have to worry about zoning into the right shard or whatever; we're in the same world, always.
Thats fun, having buddys in the game. That's a real strong point. As far as GW, I like it cuz I can put it down and not play for weeks/months at a time, and I don't have to pay subscriptions. I can play at my own pace and still be able to interact with other people if I want.
The gameplay it'self is fast-pased and strategic though it can get kinda Diablo-like at times. Overal, it's not the best game ever, but it's fun, free, and I can play with my bro. whenever I want

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cavediver
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Message 21 of 23 (279203)
01-15-2006 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Wounded King
01-15-2006 4:44 PM


Re: THE adventure game
Gronda, gronda your highness

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IrishRockhound
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Message 22 of 23 (279239)
01-15-2006 8:29 PM


WoW
Ok, confession time - the reason I don't post more is I play Warcraft like a fiend.
My first MMORPG and I think I made a great choice - I tried a bit of Lineage and got so utterly fed up of the constant grinding... I was lucky enough to jump into the European Beta and Final Beta tests of World of Warcraft, and they were like a breath of fresh air.
Now, here's the thing - I started on a PvP server on the recommendation of a friend of mine, and that was a huge mistake. The mentality and intelligence of the average PvP player is actually very similar to a rabbit's - they are focused on only one thing, have all the brains of a concussed jellyfish, and have serious trouble communicating in any rational manner. (Apologies to any PvPers, but I had some bad experiences...)
So after about 3 months of the Final Beta and the release of WoW, I had had enough of it and started a character on an RP server in desperation. Almost straight away I noticed the difference - I was finally enjoying the amazing setting Blizzard had created, because instead of being just another player mindlessly working on being more "l33t", I was truly a character, and a part of the world.
(Long story short, my character is an amnesiac Night Elf druid, and I played out a massive RP arc and backstory over the course of 60 levels which finished with an incredible 3 hour long showdown in Darnassus It was by far the best roleplaying I have ever done.)
So anyway, getting to the point: WoW is great because it's very easy to get into - the gameplay is astonishingly user-friendly, and learning how to do the basic stuff is almost instinctive. Now, this doesn't make the game too easy period - it just makes it simple to get started. The game gets more difficult when you start to get creative, and when you start teaming up with others to handle a dungeon. It's a whole new ball game when you've hit 60 and there are 9 other people with you in there relying on you to do a certain job, and you're either good or you're all dead. You have to figure out what is the right thing to do in the middle of a fight - and it gets even harder when you're facing a boss, and the entire group has to collectively develop a strategy to defeat them.
But what makes WoW incredible is the world itself. Azeroth (where WoW is based) is huge, but you can still get anywhere in few minutes. Every area has its own unique look and feel, and is full of weird and wonderful things to do and see. You never have to grind, if you don't want to - hell, if you're on an RP server, you could go to the nearest inn and get your character drunk if you felt like it. On top of that, there's the vast history of Warcraft I, II, III that brings depth to just about everything in the game - so if you're an undead mage, let's say, taking a walk through the Undercity, you could learn most of the history and character of the undead just by talking to random NPCs. Lineage was pretty generic and pale in comparison.
So yeah. That's my take on it all. I've played more adventure games on PC than I can remember, but Warcraft is the best yet.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 23 of 23 (279341)
01-15-2006 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by IrishRockhound
01-15-2006 8:29 PM


Re: WoW
quote:
The mentality and intelligence of the average PvP player is actually very similar to a rabbit's - they are focused on only one thing, have all the brains of a concussed jellyfish, and have serious trouble communicating in any rational manner.
Gee, it sounds like you are describing most boys from 14 to 26 or so.

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