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forgiven
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Message 1 of 7 (27861)
12-25-2002 5:47 PM


since the state of everything in nature is dependent, and only dependent, on the antecedent state of the rest of nature as determined by the laws of mechanics, everything in nature is determined...

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Message 3 of 7 (27885)
12-26-2002 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by joz
12-25-2002 11:42 PM


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Originally posted by joz:
Nope Chaos theory and quantum mechanics boot causality out of the window.... So false....
let's be sure we're talking about the same version of quantum theory, ok? in yours, must existence depend upon observation? (well, you can qualify it to 'intelligent human observation' if you want)... iow, before humans existed the universe "existed" in all possible states, finally coming to the present state after observation?

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Message 5 of 7 (27891)
12-26-2002 9:03 AM
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12-26-2002 8:30 AM


ok, thanks for the q.m. thing, it helps to know how another thinks
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Originally posted by joz:
(Of course that doesn't make the universe totally predictable because as I mentioned before Chaos theory rears its head)....
now as for this part, why do you need chaos theory to account for our lack of predictive ability? isn't the random nature of q.t. enough?

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