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Author Topic:   the roots of prosteletizing and the search for cures
macaroniandcheese 
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Message 1 of 11 (274320)
12-31-2005 1:47 AM


i've got this great thing you can't live without.
why is it that people who think they have something so great think that someone who doesn't have it is suffering?
it's kind of the very nature of proselytizing in general... of all kinds. religious, scientific, health, political. whatever.
i've seen a lot lately about 'find a cure for autism!!!111one'. it's not a disease. it's an alternative brain make-up. it's part of who people are. it's only difficult for people who want crap handed to them. same with add (real add not the stupid parents who want pets for kids) and other function issues. same with women and why we aren't 'normal'... like men. same with this new breed of convertist atheists. of all the people who confuse me...
but really. it's an important question. where does this come from? is it the standard 'i'm better than you and you have to be like me to be cool' or is it something more, something systemic, something insidious and we just haven't figured it out yet. is it the same creature as hate: just as destructive but directed with good intentions? (the road to hell....)
probably coffee house cause it has little to do with anything in particular.
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-31-2005 10:51 AM
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-31-2005 04:44 PM

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Message 2 of 11 (274328)
12-31-2005 2:31 AM
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12-31-2005 1:47 AM


Presentation Suggestions
brennakimi,
I think this would be an interesting subject, but I have some suggestions.
1. Stick to one topic. Either Roots of Proselytizing or The Need to Find Cures. I don't feel they are the same.
2. Please correct typos and incorrect spelling. (First impressions and all)
3. If you choose Proselytizing, I think it would go well in Comparative Religions, since there are different conversion techniques. If "The Need to Find Cures" then Coffee House.
4. Can you rework the OP into a more detached presentation. Right now your OP has an "in your face" tone.
5. Leave out reference to Faith, we don't need to know your inspiration.
6. Leave out the word "crap."
Emotions on the board seem to be running high right now and I think you would have a better chance at a productive discussion if you lowered the emotional level of your presentation.
Make sense?

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Message 3 of 11 (274372)
12-31-2005 10:49 AM
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Re: Presentation Suggestions
i think they are related. that's the idea.
that's my proposal. if you don't want a thread on it, then don't promote it. *shrugs* i'll get over it.
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Message 4 of 11 (274428)
12-31-2005 3:12 PM
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12-31-2005 1:47 AM


B's got something
i've got this great thing you can't live without.
Might it be a topic title that means something? Put it up there, via edit of message 1.
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Message 5 of 11 (274452)
12-31-2005 4:44 PM
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12-31-2005 3:12 PM


Re: B's got something
blah blah something about subtitles.

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Message 6 of 11 (274569)
01-01-2006 3:30 AM
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12-31-2005 1:47 AM


Re: i've got this great thing you can't live without.
Hi brennakimi,
I think these are very relevant questions that you're asking. I do have a concern (as always) before promoting.
You mention that autism and add are not diseases, but simply "alternative brain make-ups." Are you suggesting that these "alternative brain makeups" are as viable as "normal people"? If so, I think there's a good chance you're going to spend a lot of time debating that on this thread, as (as far as I know) it's not a mainstream view.
If you want to focus the discussion on prosteletizing, I'd suggest choosing examples that are less controversial. That way, the discussion can be focused on where this urge comes from. If you want to include discussion of autism and add, and why they're simply 'alternatives' and not diseases, then I'd ask you to add some info about that. Right now, they're bare assertions that (as far as I know) don't fit mainstream views.
Let me know what you think. Somehow I feel I'm always giving you "homework"; sorry about that. Just trying to point out possible issues and deal with them before we get the discussion going.
Thanks.

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    Message 7 of 11 (274670)
    01-01-2006 1:18 PM
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    01-01-2006 3:30 AM


    i see what you mean.
    if nothing else, there is the pure evidence that people with "disorders" manage (somehow) to live normal live and be successful in society. no it's not quite a mainstream view, but it is not as radical as you think. spectrum disorders result in adaptations of behavior from the norm. not all of these behaviors must be compensated for. sure tourette's ticks don't necessarily have any useful application (perhaps... ), but the differences of add enable better multitasking. i'm discovering everyday how my particular spectrum disorder enables me to think about theory in ways other people simply can't. i draw similarities between subjects people see as disparate because i don't comprehend human construct and social distinction very well. i find solutions that people never would have looked for because all the knowledge i have is floating around in a goop at easy access rather than being squared away in boxes (with or without topses). in my discrete math class, i always proved things differently from the other students.
    but i don't really think it's relevant to the discussion. i think it's more just the idea that there's something wrong with people if they're different from the norm or even from a certain 'good' individual. perhaps i'm simply being too specific for the topic.

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    Message 8 of 11 (275076)
    01-02-2006 5:07 PM
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    01-01-2006 1:18 PM


    Re: i see what you mean.
    Hi brennakimi,
    Thanks for the comments, but I think you left my main question unanswered: did you want discussion of autism / add as an integral part of the discussion, or did you want the focus to be on why people prosteletizing?
    Either way, I tried to suggest how you could target your OP to move the discussion in that direction. If you respond to the questions / suggestions, we can move forward and get this topic out there.
    I still maintain this is an interesting / important topic that does relate to the debate. So I encourage you to follow through on it.
    Thanks.

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    Message 9 of 11 (275195)
    01-02-2006 11:42 PM
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    Re: i see what you mean.
    well what i mean is that i don't think the discussion of autism/add is necessary to the debate. these 'disorders' are clearly not diseases, nor are they often degenerative. they demonstrate a different working of the systems, but do not preclude normal societal function--which is the weak definition of being properly ordered. i'm sure i'm just terribly wrong in that. ah well.
    anyways. i'm starting to wonder if the topic would be well received. and i think i'm gonna take a break from the forums for a while. i'll bring it up some other time maybe when i'm more... well-disposed.

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    Message 10 of 11 (275646)
    01-04-2006 6:46 AM
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    01-02-2006 11:42 PM


    One more chance for promotion
    Brennakimi writes:
    i'm starting to wonder if the topic would be well received. and i think i'm gonna take a break from the forums for a while. i'll bring it up some other time maybe when i'm more... well-disposed.
    Hi, Brennakimi! You DO have a creative mind! Please dont take my editing suggestion as a "holier than thou" mentality...Im just trying to help make your abstract thoughts into a concrete topic! How is this?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Phats suggested edit writes:
    Topic Title: "Holier than Thou's--restrict alternative thought.
    Premise: Many of us think "outside" the box and are quite adaptive and successful at what we do and in how we manage to live our lives.
    There is solid evidence that people who have been labeled to have mental disorders are quite successful and productive members of society. The human body is capable of adaptation in a remarkable way no matter what the mental "disorder" is said to be. How is it that there has to be a "right" way to do things or how to think or believe?
    Why is it that some ideas and the people who preach them feel that they have the answer and that their belief is to be the only way that a person SHOULD live or behave?
    Feel free to tell me if Im way off base as to what I think you are thinking...rewrite your O.P. in your own words,(you can use mine if you like them! ) and get back to us by January 10th or so...(But if you wanna take a short break..Go For It! I DO respect your creativeness, Brenn!
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    Message 11 of 11 (275904)
    01-04-2006 9:35 PM
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    01-04-2006 6:46 AM


    Re: One more chance for promotion
    it's more than thinking outside the box, though. it's being made differently (no legs or different chemistry).
    like i said. i need more time on this one than i first anticipated. just let it drop and i'll think about it next year or something.

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