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Author Topic:   2/3rds of Americans want creationism taught.
Nuggin
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Message 211 of 253 (274755)
01-01-2006 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by randman
01-01-2006 5:56 PM


Re: Minority view
You mean if students were subject to evo standards for cladistics
Yeah, heaven forbid the student learn science from scientists.
Perhaps the chemistry students shouldn't be "brain-washed" about the periodic table.
calling a land mammal with virtually no whale features at all, the first whale
Let me write this another way for you:
Call a land mammal (with on a few uniquely whale features) the first whale.
When I look at a model-T, I see 4 tires, I see a steering wheel. I don't see airbags, I don't see a CD player, I don't see an arm rest, or AC. So the fact that you'd suggest that a model-t was the first car if pretty silly just because it has a few identifiably automotive features.

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Nuggin
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Message 214 of 253 (274766)
01-01-2006 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by randman
01-01-2006 6:44 PM


A short play by Nuggin
if critics could point out the nonsense you guys teach kids
Teacher: Good morning class, today we're going to "teach the contraversy". Behind me you'll see two pictures. The one on the left is Pakicetus, a four legged animal from the Eocene, it lived roughly 40-50 million years ago. The picture on the right is a sperm whale, alive today. You'll notice that the skull of Pakicetus has a some very interesting features. These are found in Pakicetus, Rodhocetus, Basilosaurus, and Aetiocetus - taking us from this primative ancestor through to modern whales.
A student stirs.
Teacher: Yes, Randman?
Randman: Um, you said you were going to teach the contraversy.
Teacher: Yes, of course. Another explaination is that the modern whale just spontaneously appeared a few thousand years ago, that it has no ancestors and the more primative, and increasingly more whale like creatures we see stretching back through time either simply didn't exist at all, or also spontaneously appeared as is.
Randman: Your first theory is ridiculous. I'm laughing at it. The second theory is so much more likely.
Suddenly, a whale appears in the classroom, crushing them all flat.
Randman: (From under the whale) See!

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Nuggin
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Message 215 of 253 (274767)
01-01-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by randman
01-01-2006 6:46 PM


Re: Minority view
It is EXTREMELY TELLING though that you associate teaching the Bible with teaching evolution.
You suggested teaching the controversy. The two sides are Evolution and Creationism. How do we teach the contraversy without bringing up the Bible?

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Nuggin
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Message 218 of 253 (274779)
01-01-2006 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by randman
01-01-2006 7:02 PM


Re: A short play by Nuggin
Spawning a new thread about Whales to keep this one from going too far...wait for it...out to sea.

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Nuggin
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Message 219 of 253 (274780)
01-01-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by randman
01-01-2006 7:03 PM


Re: Minority view
Teaching the controversy is not teaching creationism
That may be your view, but I seriously doubt that that's what the religious right thinks they are pushing. They want Jewish Creationism taught as is in school, and/or they want evolution struck from the school.
Talking about how we test data is perfectly fine, and belongs in the class. That's called "scientific method". The people pushing "teach the controversy" are pushing Creationism.

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