Man raised back to life in Jesus' name

You don't get if you don't ask, or if you ask in unbelief, et al. If you obey god, assuming the responsibilities of Christianity and ask in faith believing, you may receive. Are you personally praying for and doing something to aleviate the starving children of the world and the oppessed, et al? Then too, have you ever considered why some nations and cultures have so much of this starvation and suffering? Could it be that their ideologies have something to do with the poverty and suffering they are experiencing?

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From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"

I prefer looking for real solutions to these problems.

very good post....it's amazing how many Christians have experiences miracles.....once a guy called for prayer, and he really seemed like he was dying. He had that deep rattle, and he was snowed in, and so we prayed for him, and about 10 minutes later the guy called kind of freaking out saying he had been completely healed and just couldn't believe it. I talked with the guy later after the weather cleared, and he said it all just cleared up in just a few minutes. Not the greatest miracle, but your story reminded me of it.I've been sick and asked Christian friends and elders in church for prayer too and have gotten healed.It's amazing, but you are right, I think, that it's no use trying to prove it.

Yes, perfectly justified asking for evidence...which is different from flat out stating that the event didn't happen.I read the first post of randman's as being opinion (ie, his belief) not a claim of fact, something I believe he has later confirmedIt feels wierd to be on randman's side here. If someone says 'Unicorns still visit us', I would take that as being a statement of belief, not a scientific claim. If someone retorts "No, they do not", that is an absolute statement. To make an absolute statement, one needs to be absolutely sure.How can anyone be sure that unicorns do not still visit us?It winds me up when 'creos' do it - "Evolution is impossible" - just as much as when 'evos' do it. This strikes me as being odd. Am I the only one who read randman's statement as being a statement of belief, not an assertion?

All randman said in his OP was, "MIracles still happen today."I read that as a statement of fact. It may only be his belief, but I read it as him presenting that belief as a fact. If I made an error in evaluating that, I apologize.

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If someone says 'Unicorns still visit us', I would take that as being a statement of belief, not a scientific claim. If someone retorts "No, they do not", that is an absolute statement. To make an absolute statement, one needs to be absolutely sure.

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I think such a statement could be interpreted either way, but point taken.I agree that absolute statements should be avoided when possible. I didn't mean to imply that one was warranted, but merely that the claim doesn't gain credibility because it can't be proven to be false.

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This strikes me as being odd. Am I the only one who read randman's statement as being a statement of belief, not an assertion?

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Again, I read "miracles still happen today" as randman matter of factly stating that miracles indeed happen today. If I misinterpreted it, I apologize and retract my statement.

Wow,Ideology counts for miracles, huh?So, all those devote Christians who got washed away in Katrine just didn't have the right ideology and faith.This is particularly ironic in light of much of the message that is attributed to Jesus in the Gospels.

I've been sick and taken aspirin and plenty of fluids and have gotten healed.

While I agree with arach's statement that miracles cannot be "proven", what's wrong with investigating them scientifically? Don't you think it would be a tremendous draw to Jesus if some miracles were highly docmumented? If enough evidence is provided for the "non-naturalness" of the occurance a majority of people would believe in its supernaturalness.Didn't Jesus himself use miracles to draw in unbelievers?John 5:36 John 10:25 John 10:38 I would think that if it is good enough for Jesus to use miracles as a lure, then it should be good enough for the Church today. Kind of surprising that they don't try harder to show off the miracles that do happen.

He asserted "MIracles still happen today."A statement of fact. A statement of fact demands proof. Then he lists various other supposed miracles to reinforce this claim. Therefore, demand of proof is not only reasonable to be asked for but should be insisted upon.

Thank you, but no apology needed. Randman's OP was sparse and unspecific. I've been around forums long enough to learn the old troll's tactic to post an ambiguous statement knowing that people will take it one way and you can then play the 'I meant it the other way card' later on, thus 'winning' a victory.I wouldn't dream of accusing randman of deliberately using such a tactic, but my trolldar sometimes picks these things up, even when done accidentally.I don't think we've spoken before, so let me welcome you to EvC...it's oddly addictive, you have been warned.

If he posted, in the coffee house, a Bible quote and then said "Jesus is the son of God", would you consider that a statement of fact or faith? I would take it as a statement of faith.

I guess I need to develop a better trolldar

I'm aware of the addictive nature of these forums. I lurked for over a year before registering a few weeks ago. Thanks for the welcome. I enjoy your posts and look forward to reading more.

yeah. i have a friend who's dad brags that his prayers sent katrina away from pensacola. funny how god spared the most sinful places in new orleans and only wiped out the really destitue ones.i think katrina was a created storm made by the republicans to wipe away unsightlies.

Nope. Allah made it to hit Crawford, Texas, but he's got crappy aim from living in the desert so long.