Really?
When I got "saved" and met God personally, my awareness of morality changed as well.
I am more responsible than I used to be. I know better than to have sex with anyone of any age or gender as it pertains to the church. Its like having sex within a family! Strictly taboo, in my opinion.
My morals did not really change. I mearly stop doing some things to myself and others. I stopped treating myself bad, and I stopped treating others bad. I feel God made me aware of some things that I was not aware of before.
Above all, I try real hard not to be a hypocrite.
Some churches would argue that the "gayness" is the sin and the issue. I would argue that we ALL sin, and the issue is the behavior of the individual...in any circumstance.
Yea but at what point did we ever say it's ok to sin?
Being saved is not a one time decision, it is a continuing process, and true repentance should accompany it.
All of the sins I do, I do have a problem with. If my sin starts affecting how others think, and is outwardly noticable, then I do not deserve to be a leader in my church. Our core values as a church says that we should point this out to each other in love, and encourage to stregthen each other.
So that would set up a scenerio where having a gay leader would be living a life of sin, and it would be accepted, and nobody could ever say anything about it. And that's not even the real problem. The real problem is that the person who is gay, may feel that it is perfectly ok, when it is clearly not from a biblical stand point.
But there is a part of me that is confused by the whole thing. And the fact that we all sin, including myself is a factor, and makes me some what of a hypocrite, something I despise. But I don't pretend that my sins are ok.
RiverRat writes:
Religous morals, and biblical morals are 2 different things.
Say what? Explain the difference between the two, from your perspective.
You answered your own quetion a few sentences back by saying this:
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We make up rules as groups (churches) and also we choose which groups to belong to(as individuals).
Which can be different interpretations of the bible, and different perspectives on morals.
Do you think that teaching "laws" and "morality" about sexual prohabitions will help reduce the world population growth and allow us to take care of who is already here?
No, I think that loving others will set the record straight on morals, and feed the world. But I do not think it can happen. I think even the bible says it won't happen, but that we should not keep from trying..
RiverRat writes:
Tell us how you really feel, but this time don't hold anything back.
So much for intelligent conversation.
I really can't see how anyone could ever think you are logical.
See, Rat? Its comments like that last one that I highlighted that are un necessary! I am picking on you more than the others because you pray daily while they probably do not. You need to be a good example.
MY discussion with rhain and others in this forum, about rhains logic, is an on going thing.
Logic has nothing to do with emotions. So if I claim a person is not logical, it is merely from a logical stand point, and nothing to do with him, but has to do with his statements, and claims to being the logical one, and then others back him up.
They have asked me to prove it, that is what I am doing. You are either logical or you are not. If you are going to claim you are logical, then make ilogical, emotional statemnts, then you will recieve my response. It's my right to. It also does not lead to intelligent conversation, or is it a scientific method way of looking at things.
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