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Author Topic:   Philosophical ramblings on the Adam & Eve Parable
jaywill
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Message 64 of 80 (270750)
12-19-2005 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by macaroniandcheese
12-19-2005 10:40 AM


genesis was not written by your average contemporary male chauvanist. it describes adam as very stupid. one, he fails to make his own decisions. god made his covenant regarding the trees with adam, not with eve.
Are you sure? God called both of them together Adam.
notice their eyes weren't opened until after adam ate the fruit. but further, after he's caught and accused he starts blaming others. he's a dolt and a wimp. but he doesn't blame the woman. read it closely.
Could you explain that please. I thought he passed the buck.
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jaywill
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Message 65 of 80 (270752)
12-19-2005 12:24 PM
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12-19-2005 10:31 AM


Re: Free will not free will if you get slammed for making a choice.
i like that definition, but i don't have that much confidence in paul. clearly he thought we were inherently evil.... especially women. so much so that marriage is to be avoided unless you can't resist sex because being close to another person instead of being close to god is to be reviled.
i hate that guy.
You be way too hard on Paul.
Besides, Paul said we're all chaste virgins to Christ spiritually. He made us all women.

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jaywill
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Message 66 of 80 (270753)
12-19-2005 12:28 PM
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12-19-2005 10:31 AM


Re: Free will not free will if you get slammed for making a choice.
hate that guy.
Paul said a certain Junia was note among the apostles.
That was a feminine name. A woman apostle?

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jaywill
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Message 71 of 80 (271155)
12-20-2005 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Nighttrain
12-19-2005 9:48 PM


Re: Eve and Descendants
It`s an old capitalist proverb.:-p
The same proverb book that says I can't serve God and mammon?
The same one that says the early church had all things in common?
Like I said. Something for everyone not to like.
I think your problem must be with Adam Smith and not the Bible.
By the way - that was between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21 where supposedly you found nothing worthwhile.
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jaywill
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Message 73 of 80 (271627)
12-22-2005 7:09 AM
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12-21-2005 2:37 AM


Re: Eve and Descendants
Nighttrain
The same proverb that Christians ignore.
I seek for Christians who are mature and inspire my faith.
Maybe your approach is totally opposite. Maybe you search out Christians who will strengthen your skepticism and reinforce your cynicism.
As for me I look for disciples who will help my faith and not hurt my faith. And I have found thousands who do serve God rather than mammon.
And if you are so clear what Christians should be doing then how do you know that God will not hold you even more responsible. You really know better than all of them, right?
The same one that Christians ignore.
How much effort have you spent to seek out Christians who don't ignore the Bible?
Or do you just keep a watchful eye out on those who will give you excuse to ignore the Bible?
And since you are so clear about what they should do then when you face God on the day of judgement then perhaps you'll be all the more responsible.
Guess that`s why there are so many Christian denominations.
I'm not. Thousands I know are not. How much time do you spend seeking Christians who meet in the genuine oneness?
Or do you just keep a sharp eye out for Christians in divisions so you can reinforce your own self righteousness?
Maybe you're in a denomination of one - yourself.
I often wonder how our history would have evolved without the sick and contradictory messages contained within the Bible
If you had any kind of historical objectivity to your attitude you might also wonder how things would fair, on the other hand, if there were no Bible at all.
A lot of food has been put into hungry stomachs under the banner of the Bible. A lot of cloths have been put on naked backs under the banner of the Bible. A lot of people have been freed from bondage under the banner of the Bible.
So you have no objectivity on the subject. You're warped with your particular kind of prejudicial bias.
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jaywill
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Message 76 of 80 (272380)
12-24-2005 6:44 AM
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12-22-2005 7:23 PM


Re: Eve and Descendants
erased
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