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Topic: George Bush protecting your civil liberties by breaking them
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 220 (270435)
12-18-2005 12:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
12-17-2005 6:11 PM
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While we will likely get to see this play out over the next few months, from what has been said so far this does appear to be a clear violation of the Constitution. While this may not be on the level of criminality of a Ronald Reagan or Andrew Jackson, it will certainly turn out to be yet another black mark on what is turning out to be the most disastrous Presidency since Reagan and among the worst in our history..
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 10 of 220 (270489)
12-18-2005 12:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Silent H
12-18-2005 5:20 AM
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Huh?
jar writes: from what has been said so far this does appear to be a clear violation of the Constitution.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 18 of 220 (270539)
12-18-2005 3:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by randman
12-18-2005 3:18 PM
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Re: all communications are monitored
Holmes, every electronic communication is monitored, period, If that is true then it is a clear violation of the Constitution.
Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 22 of 220 (270550)
12-18-2005 4:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by randman
12-18-2005 3:38 PM
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randman again tries to change the subject
And....? You just realizing the government doesn't follow the Constitution in many areas? If the President of the United States authorizes behavior in violation of his sworn oath to "uphold the Constitution" he should be impeached, tried, convicted and thrown out of office. Once that is done the next step would be to try him for criminal wrongdoing to see if he should also be sent to jail. The rest of your post is your usual attempt to change the subject and so as usual, should simply be ignored.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 30 of 220 (270665)
12-19-2005 12:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Nighttrain
12-19-2005 12:09 AM
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Re: time of war
Well your Kiwi Cousins are concerned enough that some are calling for a suspension of the output from Waihopai.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 220 (270723)
12-19-2005 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Silent H
12-19-2005 6:03 AM
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Understood and enjoyed.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 49 of 220 (270768)
12-19-2005 1:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Theodoric
12-19-2005 12:45 PM
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Re: War or No, Bush has too much power
The biggest difference is, as usual, in actions not desire. Many Presidents have wanted power, but when told it was wrong, dropped the issue. But the Bush administration behaved differently. They simply ignore whatever stands between them and their preconcieved notions of reality, or look for loopholes to get around the law. It is the most dishonest, immoral administration in US history since Ronald Reagan.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 73 of 220 (271372)
12-21-2005 11:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 72 by custard
12-21-2005 11:22 AM
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Re: time of war
Yeah, but the US imprisoning non-US citizens is a LOT different in my book than the US imprisoning its own citizens. First, under the new laws we have no way of knowing if US citizens are been detained or not. Second, past lapses of legality have absolutely nothing to do with current lapses of legality. We cannot change what happened in the past, only what is going on now.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 81 of 220 (271405)
12-21-2005 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by nwr
12-21-2005 12:10 PM
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Re: time of war
If we even know someone has been dissappeared.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 115 of 220 (271784)
12-22-2005 4:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Tal
12-22-2005 2:08 PM
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Re: Tal or other conservatives.
Now, would you classify terrorism as just a fear, or a reality? No one has said that terrorism is not real. What we have said is that this Administration has not done anything to lessen the potential of terrorism, has diverted resources that could be used to reduce the threat from terrorism, has lied about its reasons for the action it did take, has colored and filtered the avialable evidence in a typical example of willfull ignorance, has destroyed some of the basic foundations of our freedoms, may well have committed high crimes and misdemeanors and should be indicted.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 135 of 220 (273191)
12-27-2005 10:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 129 by randman
12-27-2005 1:56 AM
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Re: time of war
Now, maybe this is a hoax, but if an nuclear blast goes off in an American city, what will you say then? Probably that BUsh let down on the job. Absolutely. He has let down on the job. The totally pointless invasion of Iraq redirected limited resources away from dealing with the threat of terrorism. No one has ever said that we should not try to minimize the impact of terrorism. What has been said is that this Administration has totally misunderstood the threat and has done a lousy job of addressing it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 186 of 220 (283425)
02-02-2006 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 184 by Silent H
02-02-2006 11:43 AM
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on scale
Just FYI. It appears that AT&T, and perhaps other carriers, gave NSA unfettered access to the Daytona application and associated database. This is not some small little thing but rather 300 Terabytes of data of any phone, wire or email messages that ran over the AT&T network or servers.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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