Moving towards an ID mechanism.

Hmm...I would think it would be helpful if we understood how and if any entanglement occurs in such a dense environment. I would think that would be a place to look for possible major effects, but then again, maybe not.

Well, if we cannot detect it yet because we haven't devised experiments to do so, I wonder if it's still not the case that QM would predict entanglement effects. I have heard some physicists say they would expect that. I suppose we'll have to wait to know for sure.

I've just heard statements they are working on it; no actual models yet, although there could be and I am unaware of them. Vedral was the last name of one of the physicists. He was a student of Zeilinger.

Not everything someone works on is posted in detail, is it? He's stated in interviews that he's working on this or something to that effect, but not divulging anything on it. I suspect there is a lot of work to be done before he can develop some experiments to test whatever he's thinking of. But as you point out, this would be an area of macroscopic effect which the web-site says he's working on.

Your suggestion contains no real analysis. So I take it for what it's worth. I think someone actually working on macroscopic effects, like Vedral, that has publicly and openly discussed the idea entanglement might relate to life is the more informed opinion.So I'll put more weight on his suggestion than your's here.

You've aleady put forward a paper that says QM governs DNA mutations and not classical mechanics. Entanglement is part of QM. So it's already on the table. The point of further inquiry on my part is to try to see how quantum mechanics is involved with respect to entanglement.

I think one interesting question about QM is where does the superpositional ability, the information, come from?

ID is adding information into a system by a directed, intelligent force. cavediver claims that the information set of the future in one sense is already here since it is within space-time, but Wheeler suggests the responses and thus the information set we see in the universe is also the result of the questions we ask of it, and that the universe contains an observer participancy phenomenon. So that makes it less likely that the universe we will experience is set in stone, meaning space-time is fixed.It's not navel-gazing. If the physical universe works via observer participancy, then the information we see is partly determined by the universe's reactions to us. This observer participancy principle may be part of a ID mechanism since it contains within it, the ability to influence outcomes.

Observer participancy in quantum mechanics.

He doesn't say information is added, but does suggest that the form the information takes is influenced by observer participancy, hence my subsequent comment.

My point on this thread is that observer participancy and other aspects of QM appear, to me, to offer a mechanism for real world effects, proven by QM, that involve information, consciousness potentially, observation, and form as a by-product of a previous information-state. These are qualities that any potential ID mechanism would need to include, and so it appears to me QM research is inadvertently researching potential ID mechanisms.

Ray, I haven't swallowed an evo straw man as I would believe and argue the same thing regardless if evolution was on the table. I believe QM crosses over into spiritual mechanics.

Don't have time to post much today, but it's not that QM is esoteric. It's the specific qualities of QM that parallel identical or similar ideas in spiritual traditions.