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Author Topic:   The Epic of Gilgamesh and the Bible. Which came first?
ConsequentAtheist
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Message 34 of 90 (266515)
12-07-2005 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ramoss
12-06-2005 9:37 PM


Re: You need to be more critical Ray.
ramos writes:
Interinal evidence for Genesis shows there were 4 different authors.
I'm sorry, but with all due respect to Friedman, that is somewhat simplistic. Current critical scholarship runs the gamut from dispensing with JEDP to extending it to incorporate such speculative entities as Dtr(1), Dtr(2), Dtr(3), etc. See, for example,
ramos writes:
Much of the Torah was in fact translated and modifed from the ugartic texts, which are far older.
Nonsense. You may wish to read

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 35 of 90 (266517)
12-07-2005 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Cold Foreign Object
12-06-2005 8:12 PM


Re: You need to be more critical Ray.
Herepton writes:
A fundy is the bad element in any given good (religion); like Darwinists, who are the bad element/Fundies of Science.
Herepton writes:
Second, yes we know Moses wrote major portions of the Torah, however.
It brings to mind the movie "Dumb and Dumber".

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 37 of 90 (266756)
12-08-2005 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by ramoss
12-07-2005 7:47 PM


Re: Ugarit
ramos writes:
I probably overstated.
You certainly overstated ... and, and we'll see, you continue to do so.
ramos writes:
Many of the psalms were rewritten, and many of the various names in for god in the torah are different gods in the ugartic pantheon.
That one can find traces of West Semitic mythology in early Biblical writings is an underwhelming fact. But to assert that "many of the [Ugaritic] psalms were rewritten [as Hebrew psalms]" demonstrates a significant misinterpretation of the evidence. So, for example ...
ramos writes:
As for an example that understanding the ugarartic equivilant help understand somehting in the torah
quote:
One example of this is found in Proverbs 26:23. In the Hebrew text Mygys Psk is divided just as it is here. This has caused ...
It should come as no surprise to anyone that studying West Semitic languages and writings should provide insights into the paleo-Hebrew language and writings of the nascent Israelites. But you seem to be reading something much more into the quote.
ramoss, it's frequently easy to find one or more websites laced with inane rhetorical questions (e.g., "Were Parts of the Old Testament (the Torah) Plagiarized from Ugaritic Literature?") supporting any fringe position one can imagine. You might wish to become somewhat more critical of your sources.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 68 of 90 (269153)
12-14-2005 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Nighttrain
12-14-2005 4:01 AM


Re: dating fictional accounts
I guess it needs another (dare I say it?) Exodus thread to list all the direct and indirect evidence against the validity of the (proposed new title)Alleged Journey from Egypt through Sinai to the Promised Land with a Swag of People.
If forced, I'd propose the Shasu.
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