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Delshad
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Message 1 of 24 (26596)
12-14-2002 3:10 PM


Hi John
I have seen many replies from you where you have stated your problems with religion, and you said how you have spend about 20 years of your life trying to decide your stand with Christianity and that it has occasionaly teared you apart.
You have even read the Bible 5 times, admirable!
I felt sad for you and I hope you won`t get offended by a youngster giving you advice .. ?
Firstly, the connection between and man and his religion, is very personal.
Usually, the more you see a man acting as a religious cliche`, the more he is unreligious.
Just live your life, thats all, and weather you will believe in God or not, time will tell, its up to you.
I could say this though, if its any comfort.
Our God ,Allah, God, Jehova, are all understood to be Beneficient, Merciful.
Its a shared believe wich the Abrahamitic religions are very decisive about.
So just do your best to take care of yourself, your family and friends (its a philosophy which holds true in any occasion).
For instance, in this very moment you read this topic, how many things could you have done for the benefit of yourself, or someone else?
Ask yourself that..
No excuses, nothing.
You see, religion isn`t about reading books, pray, visiting churches,mosques, etc.
Knowledge can be compared to an ocean wich never quenshes your thirst, but if you drink from the fresh water a few cups and then continue your journey, then atleast you are heading somewhere.
Similarly, a man who has cleared all his doubts in his mind by merely reading and praying isn`t even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as the man , who lives in doubt yet provides for himself and his family and kins.
If you do that, then you have nothing to fear, because God is Beneficient , Merciful,and he , no matter if you believe in him or not, is Oft-forgiving, to the man who has lived had a just life.
Sincerely Delshad
[This message has been edited by Delshad, 12-14-2002]

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Delshad
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Message 8 of 24 (26639)
12-15-2002 5:16 AM


I see this is going nowhere.
Admin, you may delete the Topic.

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Delshad
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Message 10 of 24 (26652)
12-15-2002 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by John
12-15-2002 11:31 AM


I just felt sad for you and wanted to give you some advice.
But judging from the nature of your reply and the way the topic is heading, I thought that my effort was in vain and that I had misread you somehow.
So I lost interest, no offense though.

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Delshad
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Message 12 of 24 (26657)
12-15-2002 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by John
12-14-2002 4:03 PM


Hi friend, ill try to give you my opinions here:
Delshad: Usually, the more you see a man acting as a religious cliche`, the more he is unreligious.
quote:
My take is that religion is a code of conduct based upon a particular philosophical/theological system. The theology enforces the rules of conduct. Thus, when the people fail to follow the rules, the theology is shown to be lacking.
Delshad:
Yes, it is a set of conduct based open a theological system.
However, what I meant was that for example:
If you see a man shouting religious words or talking to you in a very synthetic manner, then he is perhaps merely seeking attention.
You know, he wishes to distinguish himself amongst other people just because he has a certain belief, acting superior you might call it.
That is the type of cliche`I was talking about.
That is highly unnecessary and religious conduct has to a certain degree change as time progresses in the parts where no theological significance lays.
Delshad:Our God, in Islam ,Allah, God, Jehova, are all understood to be Beneficient, Merciful.
Its a shared believe wich the Abrahamitic religions are very decisive about.
John:
quote:
And very self-contradictory in that regard as well.
Delshad: Well as a moslem I dont really understand your reply here...
Ill tell you this , in every one of the over 100 suras("chapters") within our Holy book the Quran, each sura begins with the sentence:
In the Name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful.
And our God (Allah) is the same God as in the rest of the Abrahamitic religions.
I believe the OT means the Original Testamente, im not sure.
But I have noticed this, every time a christian talks to you about the Bible you say that the Bible contains barbary and rapes etc etc.
You have even sais that the chistians are devil-worshippers.
That is a very rude comment.
Think about it, even Jesus said, turn the other cheek, he was agaisnt opression, he believed in the brotherhood of man and he taught love and morals giving many civilisations peace and prosperity.
How can you possibly say that this man was the proclaimer of butchery,rape and racism etc!?
Have you thought about the possibility that some parts of the Bible are later scriptures, written by men who wished to take advantge of the believers for own profits.
That would make alot of sense since 90 % of the bible contradicts to the very essence those evil parts that you so gladly and frequently point out.
.
Dilshad:
Judging from the nature of your reply and the way the topic is heading, I thought that my effort was in vain and that I had misread you somehow.
quote:
My first comment was friendly but pretty neutral.
My next comment was an attempt to elaborate on the way I view religion and its role in society.
My third comment is a valid, or at least reasonable, refutation of your claim that God is merciful. Only the faithful think the OT blood bath demonstrates mercy.
And my final two comments are in agreement with you.
What precisely is wrong with the nature of my reply? Is it that I didn't take what your advise without reflecting upon it?
This is precisely the kind of comments that makes you grating .
Please get rid of your belief that every theists dont reflect and think.
Its very insulting and leads to nowhere.
Take Care John

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Delshad
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Message 14 of 24 (26710)
12-16-2002 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by John
12-16-2002 12:11 AM


Hi John, I guess I owe you some apologies.
I was in a hurry when I made made the replies.
Im sorry.
Dilshad

You have even said that the chistians are devil-worshippers.
quote:
When? Where?
I have either mixed you up with someone else or perhaps you had just stated that sarcastically.
Either way, I had no intention if discrediting you and I apologize.
Dilshad:
Please get rid of your belief that every theists dont reflect and think.
Its very insulting and leads to nowhere.
John:
quote:
Please tell what I have said to you in this very short thread that leads you to this conclusion. As far as I can tell it came out of nowhere.
Well I got it from, ".....Is it that I didn`t reflect upon the advice.
This seem to imply that my advice hadn`t been reflected upon.
But I could be wrong however and have misunderstood you entirely.
Im embarresed , once again,I apologize.
Have a good week John, and Take care!

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Delshad
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Message 19 of 24 (26755)
12-16-2002 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Primordial Egg
12-16-2002 10:45 AM


Dear FunkyMasterFreaky
Your questions to me are very important and I`m afraid by answering all to hasty I`ll misrepresent my opinions.
But meanwhile the replies given to you by Primordial egg are quite substantial.
Ill try to answer your questions as I get the time.
Btw, hi Primordial, Long time no see !

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Delshad
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Message 22 of 24 (26784)
12-16-2002 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Primordial Egg
12-16-2002 11:38 AM


Hi primordial Egg
Yes its recovered, but I feel sorry for all the people whom due to financial situations never recover
Regarding your queston primordial, I honestly dont know.
I guess you in some ways are more familiar with islam than I am.
But I read about it as much as I get the time too, school work you know...
Sincerely Dilshad
[This message has been edited by Delshad, 12-17-2002]

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Delshad
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Message 23 of 24 (26787)
12-16-2002 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by John
12-16-2002 12:09 PM


Yes, its not my native tongue.
I am kurdish and because Im a muslim I know arabic too, living in Sweden has added swedish and English to my list, and then the fact that i study Spanish makes them five altogether(Like my five pillars of faith)
But however, I can mix up the grammar sometimes .)
[This message has been edited by Delshad, 12-16-2002]

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