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Message 2 of 24 (26603)
12-14-2002 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Delshad
12-14-2002 3:10 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
You have even read the Bible 5 times, admirable!
Yeah, people never believe that. Actually, five times I am sure of....
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Usually, the more you see a man acting as a religious cliche`, the more he is unreligious.
My take is that religion is a code of conduct based upon a particular philosophical/theological system. The theology enforces the rules of conduct. Thus, when the people fail to follow the rules, the theology is shown to be lacking.
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Our God, in Islam ,Allah, God, Jehova, are all understood to be Beneficient, Merciful.
Its a shared believe wich the Abrahamitic religions are very decisive about.

And very self-contradictory in that regard as well.
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For instance, in this very moment you read this topic, how many things could you have done for the benefit of yourself, or someone else?
That is an impossible question to answer. But all I do is investigate stuff.
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If you do that, then you have nothing to fear, because God is Beneficient , Mercifull,and he , no matter if you believe in him or not, is Oft-forgiving, to the man who has had a just life.
Kinda how I see it really.
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John
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Message 4 of 24 (26614)
12-14-2002 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by robinrohan
12-14-2002 5:02 PM


quote:
Originally posted by robinrohan:
I've noticed, John, that you are very popular. People want to talk to YOU especially. What is the secret of your social success?
It all started with this email advertising a perfume with pheromones in it.......
Really, I don't know. I guess I'm not qualified to answer that question. I'd think I'd be a pretty grating personality but I guess something works.
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John
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Message 6 of 24 (26631)
12-15-2002 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by forgiven
12-14-2002 10:13 PM


quote:
Originally posted by forgiven:
ummmmm... what email?
Its spam I get about six times a week. I'm not sure where they got my name. Gimme your email address and I'll make sure they get it though. I'd hate for you to miss out.
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John
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Message 9 of 24 (26649)
12-15-2002 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Delshad
12-15-2002 5:16 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
I see this is going nowhere.
Admin, you may delete the Topic.

You aren't being much of a sport really.
I replied to your post. You have been silent since.
Where do you want the topic to go?
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John
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Message 11 of 24 (26653)
12-15-2002 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Delshad
12-15-2002 12:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
But judging from the nature of your reply and the way the topic is heading, I thought that my effort was in vain and that I had misread you somehow.
My first comment was friendly but pretty neutral.
My next comment was an attempt to elaborate on the way I view religion and its role in society.
My third comment is a valid, or at least reasonable, refutation of your claim that God is merciful. Only the faithful think the OT blood bath demonstrates mercy.
And my final two comments are in agreement with you.
What precisely is wrong with the nature of my reply? Is it that I didn't take what your advise without reflecting upon it?
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John
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Message 13 of 24 (26687)
12-16-2002 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Delshad
12-15-2002 4:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
You know, he wishes to distinguish himself amongst other people just because he has a certain belief, acting superior you might call it.
Ok. But this doesn't address the objection I raised. In fact it plays right into it. A religion that does not produce the behaviors it claims is a failed religion.
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Well as a moslem I dont really understand your reply here...
Ill tell you this , in every one of the over 100 suras("chapters") within our Holy book the Quran, each sura begins with the sentence:
In the Name of Allah, the Beneficient, the Merciful.

I have not read the Quran in its entirety. I have it here though, and read bits now and then. The Quran, as does the New Testament (NT), portrays a very different God than that of the Old Testament (OT), the ancient Isrealite scripture, parts of which are accepted as scripture by Islam. The God of the OT is vicious, and vengeful, the author of both good and evil. I understand that moslems believe the OT has been corrupted, hence the need for the Quran. So Islam has a way, perhaps, out of this mess. Christians, however, stubbornly insist that both Gods are the same God and that both portrayals are accurate.
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But I have noticed this, every time a christian talks to you about the Bible you say that the Bible contains barbary and rapes etc etc.
Well, it does.
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You have even sais that the chistians are devil-worshippers.
When? Where?
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How can you possibly say that this man was the proclaimer of butchery,rape and racism etc!?
I haven't. The OT is full of such things however.
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Have you thought about the possibility that some parts of the Bible are later scriptures, written by men who wished to take advantge of the believers for own profits.
Yes. Indeed I have. I'd say about 99% fits the bill.
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That would make alot of sense since 90 % of the bible contradicts to the very essence those evil parts that you so gladly and frequently point out.
You must have gotten your numbers backwards. 10%, maybe, contradicts the nasty bits.
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This is precisely the kind of comments that makes you grating .
Sorry? You tell me that the nature of my reply was somehow lacking. I summarize that reply and ask what you found problematic, and you respond by telling me that this is grating? Please. That is a very thin skin.
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Please get rid of your belief that every theists dont reflect and think.
Its very insulting and leads to nowhere.

Please tell what I have said to you in this very short thread that leads you to this conclusion. As far as I can tell it came out of nowhere.
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John
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Message 21 of 24 (26762)
12-16-2002 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Delshad
12-16-2002 5:10 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
I have either mixed you up with someone else or perhaps you had just stated that sarcastically.
What I have said is that christianity, as I was talking in general, is evil though not in any literal way but as a reflection of the damage that I believe it has done over its history.
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Well I got it from, ".....Is it that I didn`t reflect upon the advice.
This isn't what I said.
john writes:
Is it that I didn't take what (<< typo in the original post) your advise without reflecting upon it?
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Im embarresed , once again,I apologize.
Hey don't beat yourself up about it. Am I correct that English is not your native tongue? If so, I sympathize. I've had to speak Spanish a lot lately and I am not good at it.
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John
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Message 24 of 24 (26814)
12-16-2002 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Delshad
12-16-2002 1:05 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Delshad:
Yes, its not my native tongue.
I am kurdish and because Im a muslim I know arabic too, living in Sweden has added swedish and English to my list, and then the fact that i study Spanish makes them five altogether(Like my five pillars of faith)
But however, I can mix up the grammar sometimes .)

Ok. So we are aware of the language issue. If you misunderstand, or I misunderstand, we'll just assume it has a lot to do with language. And it probably does.
Take care.
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