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John Paul Inactive Member |
Several evolutionists have complained there isn't a Creation model of biological evolution. From the Creationist's, and other literature I have read and I am reading now, I will attempt to put one together. However I don't think this is a small undertaking and it will take some time to accomplish, even though the pieces are there, I still have to place them together in such a way as to make it comprehensible.
Please be patient. I do not have much spare time but I do feel, in light of the complaints, it is a needed element. What I can tell you now is I can see 3 major differences in today's ToE and the Creation model of biological evolution: 1- The starting point of evolution 2- The extent to which evolution can take place 3- The apparent direction evolution is taking These three points will be addressed in my posting, when I complete it. ------------------John Paul
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5055 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
John this is near the beginning of mine
Monday#2Proof of Concept of Clear Secular inTent of EnHancing the EfFectiveNess of Science inStruction (edwards vs. aguillard 1987p.14.)Even if not for Ernst Mayr's interpretation and cause of not reviewing Croizat to Croizat's liking creation/evolution is a critical skill that education institutions would sooner than better awake too lest legal objections are likely to accrue to either party Croizat Panbiog xxii"deductions need be many and varied IN DETAIL before they can stand as the basis of ultimate deduction of major principles IN GENERAL. the appearence to the students, continuing, misgraded tests. I do not wish to incure the wrath of Dover Publications but if this still is controvesial then I will have to start a national case which I have been refraining from doing so I do type with my own commas (invisible) and comments in CAPS to the lower case text to read from FOUNDATIONS OF SCIENCE Dover Publications, New York 1957 by Norman Robert Cambell for the change the is biologically real desptie efforts of a state government in the United States in the up and coming communication of/in panbiogeography that began with me as an indpenedent study at Cornell University apporved in 1987 but not completed. introductionsummary. it is explained that the book, of which this is the introductory volume, is intended to be a complete treatise on physics of which the main object is criticsm. criticism does not invovle adverse judgement, but only analysis, which is more likely to strengthen than to weaken the evidence for th propositions criticised. It is suggested that such criticism may have a value, though an indirect value, for those pursuing original researches as well as for teachers and students. The general plan of the work is sketched and some of the main questions are considered mentioned. criticism of this kind is not novel, but it has not been applied to experimental science as fully as to mathematics. Such criticism as has been applied to physics has almost always come from mathematicians. it is suggested that criticism by one interested in the experimental rather than the mathematical side of the subject may have sine special interst. one reason why criticism has been left so largely to mathematicians is that physicists are afraid of being led into any discussion which they regard as philosophical. some remarks are made on the origin and basis fo this attitude: the obvious fact is pointed out that, if it is true that fundamental scientific discussion necessarily lands us in philosophy, then philosophy must be a part of science and merits our attention. the opinion is, however, expressed that the fear is not justified and that science can be adequetly discussed without science and philsophy which it has seemed desirable to notice in a special chapter sharply distinguished from the rest of the book....science and metaphysics. but the very fact is significant that those interested in experimental science have left to mathematicians the nore fundamental inquiries into their BIOGEOGRAPHIC (FEYNMAN HAS THIS AS A PART OF PHYSICS BUT HE ALSO DOES NOT HAVE GRAVITY IN QED) sudy. does it mean that criticism of science is impossible or even that it is undersireable? the possibility can only be decided by an attempt; it will be disucussed better at the end of the treatise than at the beginning OF MATHMATICA PROGRAMMING but the deisrablilty may be called in question here. There is no good refusing to recognise WHAT/that that/WHAT many physicists are not merely uninterested in, fundamental criticism but are positively hostile to it. Galileo Galilei To The Most Serene Grand Duchess Mother (third paragraph) "These men would perhaps not have fallen into such error had they but paigd attention to a most useful doctrine of St. Augustine's, relative to our making postive statements about things which are obscure and hard to understand by means of reason alone." Anderson decides that the search for a general area dendogram should be rejected to be futile yet this leads to statements that may have enabled grid analysis (since what after all is the difference of a dendo and a thamnogram)kl; to enter panbiogeography through the main massign criteria (Craw ) lead to a procedure the setenced took home idea being embodied "If the quadrants on track paths are scored for each pair of taxa, then the track paths could be numerically instead of subjectively indentified and vicariance hypothesis about tracks could be statisitcally tested." but I do not consider this empirical observation to explictly utilize the track at right angles to some strech in Wright's Isolation by distance sentence to be objective nor is it's subjective postion (on relative vs absolute motion of gene flow etc) on the nature of space or the area cladogram sought desirable still distinguishable by particular conceptions of the application of Q mode and R mode statistics in the former disucssion ... of panbiogeographic quantification. I do not consider the the search for this 'dendogram' a futile exercise and I see no reason that technical study of graph theory should be even qualitiatively obviated in the enterprise provided the physiolgraphy (cliamte or no etc) inherent in the defintion Anderson provides does not categorically historically dissociate topology from within the practive of physiography and hence the idea of connected areas of endemism informing topology or catastrophe sets modelling the other way around simply for the reason that if not more the shape of the Earth IS is a topology Newton forms generally into a sphere but the next Faraday Terra Firma is also to be excepted space for. The application of grid analysis to panbiogeography by Heads under Craws' criteria of main massing is nevertheless continuing usless objections in the said straight line across the least gap etc form points defintion in experimental pambiogeography (not the terminological nor axiomatic strictly of last week) collinear, means form part of a generalized track one can take SOME individual track the to points P and Q from last weeks IA#1For every point P and for e..... (IA#3 completed the line "is incident wil all three of them. One of these points is A NODE, the phylogenetic and biogeographic nodes (Three points connected never form a geodesic) no later than midOgliocene ...) existed in that unique line on some individual tracks ....in other words given two panbiogeographically acceptable and accepted individual tracks Prop 2.2 Cladisitc Proposition Proposals find and type in From variables (Wrights "back variable or not) from a consequent assertion we can form a single statement on the systematic constitution the various analytiv chemsitry uses put exemplars generalized tracks and emprical setences to assists in the formation of this statement REGARDING THE HISTORICAL OBSERVATION of Newton's space that Galelio accounted to odd numbers and IS NOT too broad, reintroducing an absolute space from the information model of genetic transmission genetics from which Kant's systematic consittiuon is likewise recognizable even if Kaufmann would choose to if to not recognize it. (Appropo) it is not out of reason to attribute (Compus sui) in investigating th elaw of this ambiguity or not {(climate zones, wet/dry areas, migration one way or the other, differences, differances0} to found with rooting for the nodal concept as supercomputer funding goes on at San Deigo for PREDICTING SPECIES OCCURRANCES. Lewontin should understand since the elapids were first in this climate to be used organically yet I was told to dig up Indian Middens alonf the Delaware River ( I could have thought up that on my own). There is quite a bit of a cost differntial between even getting the undergraduate degree and knowing which concepts to/that apply. You are in your house or shelter and you get a treasure map actually a handbook or guide book that shows regions where you can enter and find a treasure in this case a form or species You leave your house and travel to the region on an expedition to find said treasure You do not find it but see many other things you never saw before. You go back home. You read again and find that something else a relative of what you sought ought by what you saw to be in the area or region or cneter or place tou approached You travel again to this putative center or main massing and low and behold you found @ this centre a form of treasure You take the Treasure home to biodiveristy informatics You try to live with the treasure and adjust the temperature to fit your treasure's needs You make many more trips and are actually discouraged as you were endeavoring before you contacted the biodiverisy specialist to find more treasures from this center or original place you found your first treasure but the information becomes georeferenced You begin to find other places that are vicariant or disjoint and the informatics gives you a GUI to view and discuss this spatial evolutution that is private to you completely that may or may not be connected to the first center of origin and you are "exhausted" having made the trip many times to little impression etc etc even more to the story.
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
The simple creationists theory of biological evolution is..anything we observe, there has simply never been anything you can observe in biology that a creationist would disagree with.
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
Really, so how would you falsify it?
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Really, so how would you falsify it?"
--Something new, ie new information, many wonder what we mean by 'new information' and that is something that wasn't there before that is added on to what there was before. Meaning a 'macro-evolution'. Beyond Variation. ------------------
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
So how would you define beyond variation?
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derwood Member (Idle past 1898 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
New information?
"Natural Seletion as the process of accumulating genetic information in adaptive evolution."Kimura, M. 1961. Genetical Research 2:127-40. I'm surprised that more - or one, even - anti-evolutionists don't know about this paper, since they continually argue that NatSel can't add information. Wait - no I'm not. John Paul (Joe Gallien), by the way, is busy lettinh everyone know how little he understands on these issues here:
http://www.creationweb.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c4dab315617ffff;act=SF;f=26 Of interest is this thread:
http://www.creationweb.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c4dab315617ffff;act=ST;f=26;t=349 Of course, this board is about to implode, as the 'moderators' (read: Orwellian censors) have been actively gutting the posts of evolutionists in the last week or so, especially those critical of various creationist heros, such as engineer egomaniac Walter ReMine...
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