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brandplucked
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Message 76 of 85 (263249)
11-26-2005 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by AdminAsgara
11-25-2005 1:34 PM


Re: "There is NO inerrant Bible"
Hello Will, welcome to EvC.
I understand that what you have been posting here are your own words, but the long cut and pastes from your website make it seem that you are not debating with the other posters. It seems that you are simply pasting your articles all over the web.
I would appreciate if you would engage posters here with something other than entire articles from your website. You can post exerpts and discuss issues, you can post links to your relevant articles while engaging members on specific points that have been raised.
We welcome your input, but please do not just paste entire articles.
Hi Asgara, thank you for the welcome and your points are duly noted. I wanted to start a new topic on "There is No inerrant Bible", but was told that I cannot start a new topic. That is why I posted the whole thing. I will try to limit the length in the future and address specific examples. Thanks,
Will

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brandplucked
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Message 77 of 85 (263252)
11-26-2005 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by arachnophilia
11-25-2005 3:41 PM


Re: Who killed Goliath?
Hi A, thanks for your comments. I'm glad at least to see that you do agree that the NIV makes no sense and creates a contradiction by having two different men kill the same giant years apart.
You closed with: The simple fact is most of you do not believe any Bible or any single text in any language is now the complete, inerrant, and 100% true words of God. Just another sign of the times we live in.
i'm not so much concerned with trying to make the bible 100% true, complete, or the word of god. i'm more interested in understanding it, what it says, how to read it, and why it's important. i try to honor it in a truthful and honest way -- and if that makes it the word of god, so be it.
but most of study i've done seems to indicate that it's not. in situations like this, people are essentially arguing that the KJV is the word of god, and no other text, not even the source it was translated from. and that, frankly, is a little cultish. i'm not into bibolatry."
At least you are being consistent with your views that there is no such thing as a complete, inerrant and 100% true Bible in any language. This was my main point and you have simpley cinfirmed it.
It is somewhat ironic to see that you all who do not believe in the inerrancy of any Bible accuse us KJB believers of being cultish and guilty of bibiolatry, while the "no inerrant Bible" crowd is now considered to be orthodox. Interesting, indeed.
By the way, I do not worship the King James Bible. I have no altars or candles before it in my house. I write in it and spill coffee on it, and toss it in the back of my car. However I do believe it alone is the complete and inerrant words of God.
Will K

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nwr
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Message 78 of 85 (263255)
11-26-2005 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by brandplucked
11-26-2005 10:37 AM


Re: "There is NO inerrant Bible"
Hi brandplucked.
First a suggestion.
In your message, you quoted some text. But it is difficult to tell what was quoted and what you wrote. You can make that easier by having the quoted text stand out.
Here is how to do that:
Use:
[qs]the quoted text goes here[/qs]
and that will show up as
the quoted text goes here
Some other suggestions:
  • You can click on the "dBCodes On (help)" link to the left of the edit box, to see other editing codes available.
  • When reading an message, you can click on "PEEK" to look at the raw unformatted message, to see how others are doing it.
  • When editing, you can click in the "Peek Mode" box to see the raw text of the message you are responding to.
    wanted to start a new topic on "There is No inerrant Bible", but was told that I cannot start a new topic.
    The place to start a new thread is in the "Proposed New Topics" forum. Then, if your topic is approved, it will be moved to the appropriate place for discussion.

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    Message 79 of 85 (263256)
    11-26-2005 10:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 76 by brandplucked
    11-26-2005 10:37 AM


    Formatting help and Welcome
    Hi Asgara, thank you for the welcome and your points are duly noted
    No problem Will.
    quote:
    but was told that I cannot start a new topic.
    New topics must go through our Proposed New Topic Forum. While there, admins will make sure that it is concise and reads well. Lengthy cut and pastes will not go over well there either.
    brandplucked writes:
    Thanks,
    If you click on the "peek" button on the bottom right of this message you can see how different quote methods were formatted. Formatting is also discussed in a few of the threads linked in my signature box. When you respond to a post, on the left hand side of the text box are links to html formatting and dBcode formatting used at this forum.
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    Message 80 of 85 (263257)
    11-26-2005 10:50 AM
    Reply to: Message 78 by nwr
    11-26-2005 10:48 AM


    OT whine
    Damn...you beat me

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    brandplucked
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    Message 81 of 85 (263262)
    11-26-2005 11:07 AM
    Reply to: Message 77 by brandplucked
    11-26-2005 10:44 AM


    Most Christians today do not believe in inerrancy
    Hi guys, just a short note. I read through the rest of your posts and it is clear to me that none of you believe any Bible or any single text in any language is now the inerrant, complete and 100% true words of God. Your position is now in the majority of Christiandum.
    Each of you can argue for what a particular Hebrew or Greek word means, and if it should even be in the text or not, but the clear truth of the matter is that each of you exalts his own opinions above any Book, and there are many other "scholars" just as qualified as you think you are, who see the same issues in a totally different way than you do.
    "In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes."
    It boils down to this: None of you believe there is such a thing as an inerrant and complete Bible in any language here on this earth today. So, you each become your own Final Authority. You may just as well each write your own bible version. That is the only way you will be happy, and who knows?, it might happen to be a be$t $eller for a month or two until some other guy who thinks he is right and everybody else is wrong comes out with his Bible of the Month Club version.
    Happy trails,
    Will K

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 82 of 85 (263394)
    11-26-2005 6:32 PM
    Reply to: Message 75 by Nighttrain
    11-26-2005 5:01 AM


    Re: Mistranslations
    As you are studying Hebrew, you will be in a far better position to judge his arguments than I ever will. Just like your opinion--no rush.
    bit on my plate at the moment, but i'll try have a look at some point.
    but i do think it's pretty evident that the translations done by native-speakers tend to be better than non-native-speakers.

    אָרַח

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 83 of 85 (263400)
    11-26-2005 6:44 PM
    Reply to: Message 77 by brandplucked
    11-26-2005 10:44 AM


    Re: Who killed Goliath?
    Hi A, thanks for your comments. I'm glad at least to see that you do agree that the NIV makes no sense and creates a contradiction by having two different men kill the same giant years apart.
    the point is that this confusion is not a product of the niv translators and their decisions. it's in the "original" source that niv and the kjv both translated.
    the kjv is also not free of similar errors. i can point out lots of similar contradictions, even in the kjv. for instance, we all know that jesus's earthly (step) father was joseph. who was joseph's father?
    By the way, I do not worship the King James Bible. I have no altars or candles before it in my house. I write in it and spill coffee on it, and toss it in the back of my car. However I do believe it alone is the complete and inerrant words of God.
    seems to me that if you REALLY believe it is the word of god, and you actually respect god, you'd treat it with a little more care. but it's really not the point. none of this is.
    i've pointed out why many of these "kjv only" arguments are simply worthless. any attempt to answer why, for instance, the norse "hell" is more appropriate than the jewish "sheol" or the greek "hades?" or even an opinion of whether internal accuracy is more important than inter-text consistency? or which is more important, a literal rendering, or a rendering of the ideas?

    אָרַח

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    Nighttrain
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    Message 84 of 85 (263402)
    11-26-2005 6:52 PM
    Reply to: Message 81 by brandplucked
    11-26-2005 11:07 AM


    Re: Most Christians today do not believe in inerrancy
    Hi, Will, I think you misunderstand our intentions. I don`t think anyone considers their explorations to be The Final Authority, but when literalists insist they have the answer, contrary to the evidence, we say prove it.

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 85 of 85 (263403)
    11-26-2005 6:53 PM
    Reply to: Message 81 by brandplucked
    11-26-2005 11:07 AM


    Re: Most Christians today do not believe in inerrancy
    Hi guys, just a short note. I read through the rest of your posts and it is clear to me that none of you believe any Bible or any single text in any language is now the inerrant, complete and 100% true words of God. Your position is now in the majority of Christiandum.
    brand, attempting to write off arguments in such a manner is not usually looked upon kindly here. we could just as easily say "well, you're a fundamentalist christian nutter. what else should we expect from you?" but neither is a good argument, and neither is addressing what people have to say.
    we're about debate, not name-calling and running away. and the insinuation that some of us are not good enough believers is pretty insulting.
    Each of you can argue for what a particular Hebrew or Greek word means, and if it should even be in the text or not,
    i didn't bring up the argument. dave and you did. the two of you, and the source you both quoted, argued that the hebrew or the greek words should NOT be included in the text. i was just pointing out that, since it's a proper name, it's completely within the realm of validity to use the transliterated names. it doesn't make a text more or less accurate -- it's the same thing.
    but the clear truth of the matter is that each of you exalts his own opinions above any Book, and there are many other "scholars" just as qualified as you think you are, who see the same issues in a totally different way than you do.
    and that's fine. they are free to debate it. you assert that our faith is somehow weak for our opinions of different texts. is your faith so weak that you can't stay and debate it with us?
    it might happen to be a be$t $eller
    isn't the kjv bible the all-time best seller? the surest way to make money in the publishing business is to put out a kjv bible. it's public domain, which means you don't have to pay anyone, which means it's 100% profit. and you know it'll sell. alot.

    אָרַח

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