bkelly writes:
Those who make extraordinary claims are obligated to provide extraordinary evidence. I say here we are and that is that. What we can see and what we can verify are what exists. You claim a supernatural entity with extraordinary powers. The burden of proof is on you.
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But the answer to the second half is the same as the first. The christian religion and god were created by man so that they would feel better about the world (mostly their fear of death) and could establish control over others. As I have said multiple times, look at the history of christianity. It has been one of brutal conquest and control.
You also made an incredible claim (underlined sentence) but provided no incredible evidence.
Scientists have developed a huge body of evidence that the stars evolved from the big bang and evolved from there. You claim god created them. The evidence for my position is abundant and available to anyone that exerts even the tiniest effort. If you wish, you can start with 1 + 1 = 2 and work you way up to the most elaborate conclusions and verify or deny them as you wish. You can examine, test, and verify all the evidence yourself.
While I do not deny the huge body of evidence you were referring to, the interpretation of these evidence have been changing since we began to look at the stars with the naked eyes. As a matter of fact, the interpretations continue to change even today and, as far as anyone could tell, will continue to change in the future.
On the other hand, you tell the world that some magical deity created them (indeed, everything) from nothing. You offer no evidence what-so-ever. A common tactic of people who want god to exist is to attempt to shift the burden of proof on science and those that do no believe in supernatural entities. That trick is old, tired, and just plain wrong.
(1) You are implying that a magical deity who created everything from nothing is far fetched. Yet, you expect the rest of us to believe that everything sprung up from nothing by itself?
(2) It is not a tactic to shift the burden of proof. Remember that our religious beliefs were here thousands of years before there was anything close to being science. If I were to come along and present a new concept to replace an old one, I would have to be the one to provide the proper evidence, not the other way around.
(3) Well, too bad. If it's a trick, you're just going to have to deal with it.
No Lam, the burden of proof is on you.
As I explained above, the expansion of space-time and matter from the singularity explanation came thousands of years AFTER the creation of space-time and matter by a creator came many thousands explanation. Sorry, but the burden of proof is on the newbie, not the old timers.
Oh My. There are some problems here.
Yes?
The language is simple, clear, and unambiguous. God is not unique. That is what the word “our” means here. “Our” is plural. These words have been translated time and time again with the same result. If Genesis is right, god is not unique.
I must admit that theology is not my strength. While I do have a counter argument for what you said, I'd rather hold it back for fear that I have not considered all the possible viewpoints (to my abilities that is).
The Jews say they are the chosen people, as do the Muslims. As most, only one of you can be right. As you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you.
As is similar to what came first, in this particular case I would have to point out that christians outnumber the other religious groups. While there were many great nations in the past, the christian nations, or nations that have been driven by christianity, have been the most powerful and successful in the world.
It is true that the Jews came first. However, it has been long established (yes, by popularity) that christianity was and is the one true religion. In this particular case, the burden of proof is on the other sides. We have the number. They don't.
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