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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 57 (254181)
10-23-2005 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by evolutionimpaired
10-23-2005 9:01 AM


Re: House built without a carpenter, tools, or material
Science believes in the chance of higher beings on other planets that may not be carbon based and capable of VERY long travel times (even at light speed) without food.
Um, no, science doesn't believe this.
The rest of the stuff in your post would be better suited for a bunch of other threads. I suggest that you break your post up into fields - objections to evolution from astronomy should go into an astronomy thread, biological or population arguments should go into a biology thread, and arguments about the Bible should go into a Bible thread.
With any luck, my cells will recognize my need early and I will evolve into a more smarter feller in da morning.
Just to correct a common misunderstanding - individuals never evolve; only populations do.

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crashfrog
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Message 12 of 57 (254334)
10-23-2005 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by evolutionimpaired
10-23-2005 6:05 PM


Re: House built without a carpenter, tools, or material
Individual evolution vs population evolution: I'd find it easier to believe a few individuals possessed the rare alterations at different times in the chain that eventually lead to a true species rather than a mass of creatures simultaniously changing in the same way without something violent enough happening to kill them.
You didn't understand what I wrote. What I wrote was "evolution happens to populations, not individuals."
Not "evolution happens to all the individuals in a population simultaneously." That's not what I said, because that's not what happens.
Individuals don't evolve. They don't change, except through the normal course of maturation through life stages. They're born with all the adaptations they'll ever have; they don't generate new ones on the fly, on demand.
You need to look at populations the way biologists do. Imagine a population of ducks, or something. They're all standing there in the barnyard, and they all have their own set of genes. Ok?
Now, imagine the ducks are gone, or are just there in outline. All you're looking at is the genes. You're looking at a barnyard full of alleles of those genes. Which individual has what allele isn't relevant; what you're looking at is the gene pool of the population, and how many copies of each different allele are sitting there in your barnyard.
If you could fast forward in time, you would see, for each allele, its number wax or wane, until either that allele was evenly spread throughout the pool to every individual, or it was eliminated from the population. And you would see old alleles turn into new ones, be changed.
That's evolution, and it's happening to the population, not any of the individuals. Individuals don't evolve, no matter what you've seen in the X-Men.

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