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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
It is an irrefutable fact that Jesus was not the messiah
This message has been edited by Brian, 09-28-2005 01:11 PM
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And how come no one noticed?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
He IS a "Wiz" though. Invite Him over and He will turn all of your water into wine for you!
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Ha.I can do him one better. I can turn Wine into urine.
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Philip Member (Idle past 4753 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Sadducee eh?
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Philip Member (Idle past 4753 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
(See my comment to Brian)
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ha.I can do him one better. Any biological wannabegod can do THAT! Seriously though, lets get back on topic.
Brian writes: and then later,
What is the Bible anyway?it appears that it has been tampered with more than any other collection of books in the history of the world. I have heard that the tampering boils down to what can or should be considered Canon? Spiritual impartation or political manipulation? This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-27-2005 05:54 PM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Sadducee eh? Free thinker. You should try it. Brian.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
No, there are other parts of tampering. For example, things were added later, items were mistranslated to promote different theologies.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ramoss writes: No, there are other parts of tampering. For example, things were added later, items were mistranslated to promote different theologies. 1) How would we know what was added if we did not know what was supposed to be there? In other words, who or what is the arbitrator? 2)Of course there are different theologies...we all have a relative interpretation of theology in general, yet there is some uniformitywithin each labled theology. My question is this: If a Canon can be considered to be "official", who decides and by whose authority do they decide?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
We know that things have been tampered with because of 1) the style and vocabulary were different, 2) the message was different, and 3) when an older copies of the text were found, it was different.
In addition, matthew was using the greek, which has some ambiguious terms in greek that were not ambigious at all in hebrew. For example,Matthew interpreted the word "PARTHENOS" to be virgin. The word that it was translated from 'ALMAH' does not neccesarily mean virgin, but rather means YOUNG WOMAN. Parthenos does not always mean virgin in greek either, since that is the term that was to describe Dianah after she was raped in Genesis. Then there were such purposeful mistranslations as 'LIKE A LION' being translated as 'PIERCED' in Pslam 22. This is odd, since the term was properly translated just before and just after the mistranslation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ramoss writes: Yes...that is why the councils rejected the Gnostic Gospels, Thomas, etc...because it had a different message...like Brian said that Jesus was cruel to someone, but it was one of those spurrious documents. Otherwise, re-examining the Canon would lead to an all inclusive spirituality quite unlike the Christian absoluteness...although I believe that the Church has misused its power many times...and continues to do so, I also think that the Canon and the message of Orthodocx christianity is quite set.
We know that things have been tampered with because of 1) the style and vocabulary were different, 2) the message was different, and 3) when an older copies of the text were found, it was different.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
THat is why the council chose the ones they did. It fit their political asperations , and a kinder attitude towards Rome. It also fit their previous concepts about god more from before they were Christians.
Very unjewish.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
a kinder attitude towards Rome clearly it's rigged. 2000 year old spin. i mean, jesus was crucified. executed by romans, as a state prisoner of rome, in an area occupied by rome. rome, rome, rome. jesus was jewish. so how does the story get pinned on jews, and the romans get off scott free? we get elements like pilate washing his hands -- don't blame rome! blame the crowd of raving murderous jews! doesn't add up, especially if jesus is walking around gathering crowds of thousands to make speeches. how did they suddenly turn on him, and why?
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Steve8 Inactive Member |
Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree.
So...what sources do you consider reliable??
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