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AdminBen Inactive Member |
Seeing how this isn't a matter of board administration (unless y'all are looking to round up your opponents and kick 'em all out), I'm moving this to the Coffee House.
...and AdminBen is neither believer or non-believer. God need not take such a position on Himself. This message has been edited by AdminBen, Wednesday, 2005/08/31 12:35 PM Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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Thread moved here from the Suggestions and Questions forum.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2493 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
This broadens the topic slightly, but it looks like Iano and I started similiar threads around the same time, so here's what I had posted, hopefully we can keep them all in the same place.
Surfing the posts I've frequently come across phrases like "your side" or "the people on your side", etc. As near as I can tell everyone (including me) uses these.But what are the "sides"? Who's on who's team? This thread is an attempt to establish the main groups active in this debate, their beliefs, theif foundations for those beliefs. This could include a listing of who's a member of what group, but I suggest we leave that up to an individual to self-identify. I'm going to start by listing the groups as I see them, organized as I see fit, and their basic arguments. Feel free to jump in and tell me how wrong I am. Group 1: Evolutionistssubgroups - Atheistic evolutionists, Theistic evolutionists, Abiogenisists Argument: The processes we see today are the same processes which existed in the past. The data overwhelmingly supports and confirms a long, slow, process of speciation through the mechanics of Evolution (mutation & natural selection). Note: How the process started has no effect on the process itself, therefore not real conflict between Atheistic and Theistic Evolutionists, etc. Group 2: Old Earth Creationistssubgroups: Intelligent Design, Biblical relativists Argument: The complexities we see around us are too intricate and well thought out to have been the result of chance mutations over time. While the data clearly indicates a long series of species extending back through time, the changes we see in those species have been directed by a higher power. Note: The creation story in Genesis is metaphorical. The "days" could represent millions of years, and therefore in principle the story doesn't conflict with this theory. Group 3: Young Earth Creationists / Literalists Argument: The Bible is a direct account of the creation of the Earth and the species upon it. The events laid out within (the Creation, the Garden of Eden, the Flood) took place as they are described. The special conditions of a worldwide Flood explain the extinction / fossilization of non-existant animals. There is no change of species. Everything alive / extinct was create as is/was by God without variation. Group 4: UndecidedsArgument: There's a lot of evidence, I haven't had nearly enough time to absorb it all. Have I missed any groups? Have I gotten the arguments wrong? Chime in
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Count me as a supporter of the Theory of Evolution. It might need a few tweaks here and there, but it is a sound and useful theory.
A corollary is that I consider YEC to be absurd. ------------- While we are about it, we might as well comment on politics, since that seems to come up often enough. Count me as a pragmatic centrist. These days I usually vote Democratic, but not because I agree with all of the dem positions. It is just that I view the current republican party as evil, and I will not vote for them until they return to sanity.
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Wolf Inactive Member |
Non-Believer of the Christian God
Supporter for ToE Possibility a Higher being may exist. Not a total Atheist yet. "A Dwarf on a Giants Shoulder sees the Furthest of the Two!"
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Ben! Member (Idle past 1399 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
I'm not a believer.
Nor a non-believer. If God appeared in the clouds, I wouldn't know whether to consider it a big hoax or to repent. I'd probably look up for a few seconds, and then get on with whatever I was doing. As for Nuggin's question, evolution seems like a useful scientific theory. So I use it. Creation / ID aren't so useful. So I ignore them. I don't want a large Farva, I want a goddamn liter-a-cola.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Farva writes: If God appeared in the clouds, I wouldn't know whether to consider it a big hoax or to repent. If I ever saw one, I'd keep it to myself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, the only time anyone is going to get to see God appearing in the clouds is when Jesus returns to rule the planet, and the Last Judgment is the next thing on the schedule. Ignoring the event is not going to be an option.
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Ben! Member (Idle past 1399 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
Hi Faith, you missed the point. Maybe if I say it in a Bible-compliant way, you'll catch on. I'm doing this just for you though, and just this once, because I like you.
Maybe that will satisfy your urge to respond with random Bible-facts which have nothing to do with the thread.
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dsv Member (Idle past 4724 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
Agnostic. -- Open to higher understanding but not any organized religion we're aware of at this point.
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Faith writes: Well, the only time anyone is going to get to see God appearing in the clouds is when Jesus returns to rule the planet, and the Last Judgment is the next thing on the schedule. Ignoring the event is not going to be an option. Living in fear must be exhausting.
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Ben! Member (Idle past 1399 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
Faith writes: Well, the only time anyone is going to get to see God appearing in the clouds is when Jesus returns to rule the planet, and the Last Judgment is the next thing on the schedule. Ignoring the event is not going to be an option. Living in fear must be exhausting. Why reply? Why go for the bait? Why not bite your tongue? Why willingly follow the lead to a random march away from the point of the thread? These are rhetorical questions. Really, I'm just disappointed... and I'm voicing it. When we insist on carrying around with us... and linguistically communicating... our differences, even to threads like this one, ... sigh. What's the point of having topics, or trying to discuss, at all. Are we linguistically-endowed animals, or are we prefrontally-endowed humans? It just boggles my mind. I'm not looking to debate this. Take it for what it's worth, as it is. Thanks. I don't want a large Farva, I want a goddamn liter-a-cola.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 989 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
non-believer
no such thing as a god or anything remotely similar, not even a possibility Would I like there to be? Sure. It'd be nice to see my loved ones again. Having a second chance of life would be nice, too.
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dsv Member (Idle past 4724 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
Who turned my quick aside, obiter dictum, into an issue warranting lengthy replies?
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
I believe that beliefs have temporary usefulness and relative functionality.
I'm interested in direct knowing of being as in Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism,and Taoism. I don't believe in revealed religion and it's documents. lfen
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
do I need to spell it out?
... wait, I already did: we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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