War in Iraq, is there a point?

Is it any better when the Turks are oppressing the Kurds?How do you decide which oppressed people to help and which to help oppress?PEThis message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 08-22-2005 03:01 PM

We are fighting the war in Iraq because more than anyone else in the Middle East, Saddam Hussein & his regime were a direct threat to the security of the United States of America & the entire region of the Middle East. He did have aggressive, malevolent intentions to dominate the region, spread terrorism to our country & allies, aided & assisted al Qaeda, including the attacks on 9/11/2001 (more evidence is being uncovered all the time to prove these connections). The terrorist attacks of 9/11 would have continued & escalated as time progressed. American children, women, old men and businessmen died on 9/11, innocent civilians going about their daily peaceful lives, bothering no one. These barbaric, murderous Islamics came to our soil & perpetrated this atrocity. We did not attack them. However, now that they have attacked us, we must go after them, seek them out on their own soil & exact revenge for our murdered citizens. Lest they think they can do this again with impunity. Let theirs be the children who are not safe in their beds at night, for it shall not be America's children. Our way of life is peaceful, but they wanted a fight & they got one. And we will stay & fight until we have vanquished the enemy. Because we will not be safe until we do vanquish them. Better we fight them over there, than sit on our duffs, wring our hands, wimp out & wait to be attacked again. That's not the American way, is it? NO, I THINK NOT.

I find this to be the most telling:

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Let theirs be the children who are not safe in their beds at night....

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Hey FairWittness, do you have any stats, links, articles and such to back up your claims?Im putting together some material to post later on today (maybe tomorow time permiting). I'm really interested in cutting thrugh the propaghanda, and unearthing the motivations, efficacy, and "rightness" of the war. (If such a thing can ever be said about a war)

You would prefer to have MORE American children killed? You would rather have our children scared at night? This war must be fought & the Islamic fundamentalists are the ones who declared war, not the United States of America. Let the Islamic terrorists feel the full weight & pay the full price for the evil they have unleashed, not the innocent children of America. You can't find fault with that. These animals will kill every last one of us if we don't fight them, don't you understand what we're up against?

That FairWitness has to resort to the following accusation against me is even more telling:

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You would prefer to have MORE American children killed?

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Certainly. Anyone interested in learning what's going on in Iraq can read any number publications to back up my claims. I have no desire to list them all here, so you can pick them apart, & let the assault on my character & intelligence begin. Suffice it to say I can back up my views & opinions with hard data & facts.

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I have no desire to list them all here, so you can pick them apart....

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Let me guess -- you are really anti-war and are purposely trying to make the pro-war side look foolish, right?

I wasn't leveling an accusation at you, simply asking a question in response to your comment about my post. War is a horrible reality of life & I wish with all my heart that we did not have to be fighting at all. However, unless we all wish to convert to Islam, which I most certainly do not, we must fight. I'm not willing to surrender our way of life to evil, so if that means that the evil-doers' offspring must endure war wrought by their parents, so be it. Their parents' barbaric way of life & evil decisions are to blame for their miserable circmstances, not the USA.

Hey FairWitness,You made some claims, I think they sound compelling. I would love to know if they are true. If you could provide material with which to support them, I think it would be benificial for all of us to discuss it openly and come to some conclusions about it.This is not a bad thing, ideas, facts, and so on are meant to be picked appart and explored. Rejected, or accepted on their merits. The truth stands on it's own dispite scruteny.I have already learned quite a few things from the data Tal posted and am revising some of my views. I'm perfectly willing to accept new data and change my mind, are you?

No, I am pro-war, all the way. I'm just not going to get into a posting contest about where all my information comes from. If you are truly pro-war, then you already KNOW all this information yourself. You don't need me to tell you where to get any of this information, the fact that you want me to enumerate where my information comes from, & that I am making the pro-war side look stupid reveals your true beliefs.

This is not the goal of this forum, or this discussion. I am truely interested in the data concerning the war and it's justification. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.From what I currently know, I disagree with the war. However, I feel there is so much propaghanda being tossed around by both sides of the issue that it is hard to understand what is going on and why it is happening.I wan't to discuss the data, articles, etc. That is available. I think it would be wonderfull if you could contribut to this thread by providing some. Tal is pro-war, he has provided some good data. I'm in the process of compiling relvant info.Are you open to discussing your views?

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Freedom.

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How free is it going to be when a radical islamic dictator takes over in five or ten years, which is exactly what happened in Iran when we got rid of their democratically-elected leader through the support of Saddam Hussein?Nation building never works.And didn't Bush say while campaigning for the presidency the first time around that he was against nation building?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-22-2005 06:17 PM

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(Hussein) aided & assisted al Qaeda, including the attacks on 9/11/2001 (more evidence is being uncovered all the time to prove these connections).

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No kidding?Like what evidence?Please be very specific.Also, please discuss your views on how we left things in Afghanistan and the fact that Osama Bin Laden is still at large.

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War is a horrible reality of life & I wish with all my heart that we did not have to be fighting at all. However, unless we all wish to convert to Islam, which I most certainly do not, we must fight.

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Hold on, wasn't Iraq a secular state, not a fundamentalist Islamic state like Saudi Arabia?The radical Islamic element in Iraq was suppressed by Saddam Hussein, which is why we supported, trained, and supplied him with WMD back when he was at war with Iran, which WAS an actual fundamentalist Islamic state.Wasn't it the Taliban, Osama Bin Ladin from Saudi Arabia, all of the Saudi hijackers, and Al Qaida, in Afghanistan, that hurt us?