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gene90
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Message 46 of 56 (22802)
11-14-2002 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Lemming
11-14-2002 6:29 PM


[QUOTE][B]What makes you think Lucy Skeleton wasn't the same form of what the modern apes of her time looked like ?[/QUOTE]
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Because it looks more human, with primitive characteristics.
It's quite simple.
Apes are not bipedal.
Lucy was a biped.
Therefore.
Lucy was not an ape.
[QUOTE][B]so your saying you don't think the modern day apes evolved over the last 3-4 million years ?[/QUOTE]
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I am not saying that. I am saying that Lucy was not an ape.
[QUOTE][B]What makes you think Lucy Skeleton wasn't the same form of what the modern apes of her time looked like ?[/QUOTE]
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Because we know what ape skeletons look like. That isn't one.
[QUOTE][B]i would like to know the common ancestor? you failed to point this one out[/QUOTE]
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Not found yet, to my knowledge. We just know there is one via DNA homology.
[QUOTE][B]Looking so far has if you believe in the evolution of the one but not the other.The one being the Human side the other being the apes side[/QUOTE]
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You're not making sense.
[This message has been edited by gene90, 11-14-2002]

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Lemming
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Message 47 of 56 (22825)
11-15-2002 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by gene90
11-14-2002 9:48 PM


You know very well what i said,Quote: you know what the Ape skeleton looks like,because it is stall around today, a Quote from you
So your telling me the Ape of today didn't evolve in the last 4 million years ? Because you have clearly stated that, when you Said "Because we know what ape skeletons look like,Because it is still around today."
Is that the Ape of Today's Skeleton or the Apes of 4 million years ago's Skeleton
it look like you only Believe in the Evolution of the one and not the other, by saying this which part don't you understand
Can i sing my Victory Song now ?

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Karl
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Message 48 of 56 (22833)
11-15-2002 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Lemming
11-14-2002 6:29 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lemming:
England was colonized a relatively short time ago, and only by modern humans. i agree but you can still find human bones all over the place from burial grounds to out in open fields
what makes the Rift valley and Apes/Humans/Apemen different from that of england ?
They are not anatomically modern. The people who colonised Britain were.
quote:
why is it harder to find Apeman bones,because they have been around longer in that part of the world ?, longer then the occupation of england by Humans but bones of Humans in England are easier to find,
Population size. Actually, skeletons older than a few hundred years are pretty rare. You find the odd Roman one, but usually they've crumbled to nothing. What does that tell you about the likelihood of finding very ancient skeletons?
quote:
doesn't make sence
I know, but we try to understand you.
And on to Lucy - I did not mention Lucy because she's the only hominid found, just a usefully famous example. She is considered a transitional between our common ape ancestor (it's a matter of definition whether you consider our common ancestor an ape or not) because she has so many features that are transitional between a knuckle-walking, tree dwelling creature and us. If you take the time to research her (which you will if you are interested in learning rather than irritating beligerance) you will learn what those features are. This link Fossil Hominids: the evidence for human evolution would be a good start.

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John
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Message 49 of 56 (22839)
11-15-2002 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Lemming
11-14-2002 4:19 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lemming:
oops k lets see if you understand it more if i put what i said this way,
"ONLY!!" 1

LOL.....
Having read your other posts, I have realized that your facts are soooooo wrong as to put you in another galaxy. At first, I thought you had a point....
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nator
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Message 50 of 56 (22851)
11-15-2002 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Lemming
11-15-2002 3:03 AM


Lemming,
How much Evolutionary Biology have you studied?
By the sounds of it, not much, if any.
Why do you think you have any business at all rejecting nearly all of Modern biology and much of the last 200 years of scientific research of life when you don't have any background education on the matter?
Would you ever consider spouting off that "Relativity is a bunch of hogwash!"? No? Well, why do you think you can do that with regards to Biology?
We can remedy this situation.
Go to the following links and read them. Come back here with any questions and we will help you.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
Fossil Hominids: the evidence for human evolution
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html
Enjoy!
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close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."
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John
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Message 51 of 56 (22854)
11-15-2002 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by nator
11-15-2002 10:47 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Would you ever consider spouting off that "Relativity is a bunch of hogwash!"? No? Well, why do you think you can do that with regards to Biology?
Actually Schraf.... Have you been following the "Cookie Debate" ?
In particular, Post #48, though the whole thread is quite a read.
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[This message has been edited by John, 11-15-2002]

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 52 of 56 (22902)
11-15-2002 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by John
11-15-2002 10:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Would you ever consider spouting off that "Relativity is a bunch of hogwash!"? No? Well, why do you think you can do that with regards to Biology?
Actually Schraf.... Have you been following the "Cookie Debate" ?
In particular, Post #48, though the whole thread is quite a read.

ROTFLMAO!!!
Holy crapola!
LOL!!!

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Jesus
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Message 53 of 56 (22914)
11-16-2002 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lemming
11-12-2002 10:26 PM


You forget- Charles Darwin was a Christian who was writting about how the world works. Even he was troubled by his conclusions because the truth he found didn't match what was believed before-- he recanted, but you know what so did Gallileo and we know Gallileo is true--so just cause you faith doesn't want the truth to be told doesn't mean it isn't true.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/strange/html/bigbang.html
In the Bible insects have four legs, rabbits chew cud, there are four corners to the earth, and the church believed that the sun revolved around the earth. Sounds like you got ahold of some bunk psuedo-science from some crazy american christian group trying to destroy science and replace it with literal creation.
I don't give anypoints for anyone who takes the Bible as literal- why should I? Jesus Christ himself spoke in metaphors and parables- that is obviously how God talks. Just cause something is metaphorical doesn't mean the moral message isn't true.
Evolution happens- antibiotics and insects become resistant- you think genetic material that changes frequency is going to stop changing because you think it stops where you want evolution to stop? You realize with out evolution we couldnt drill for oil, create medicines, or engineer pest resistant crops? I remember a letter from a man in the newspaper who was taught creationism, and then he became a petroleum engineer- while in schooling for engineering he found out everything he learned was a lie and absolutely useless to try to apply to real science. he remained christian but said that only extremists believe in literal creation, and he would never do that again.
To answer your question, if your aunt had a mutant baby, it doesn't mean that you would stop existing. There are other primates who are our cousins.
TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
Here are some books you might want to check out....
Amazon.com
How We Believe: The Search for God in an Age of Science by Michael Shermer (Hardcover)
The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan (Hardcover)
Flim-Flam! Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions by James Randi, Isaac Asimov (Designer) (Paperback)
The Borderlands of Science: Where Sense Meets Nonsense by Michael Shermer (Hardcover)

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gene90
Member (Idle past 3823 days)
Posts: 1610
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Message 54 of 56 (22923)
11-16-2002 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Lemming
11-15-2002 3:03 AM


[QUOTE][B]Is that the Ape of Today's Skeleton or the Apes of 4 million years ago's Skeleton[/QUOTE]
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Either one. By definition there are certain anatomical traits that distinguish an ape from other animals. If "apes" from then were that different then they would not have been "apes" now would they?
Now you ignored a point. Lucy was a biped. How can she have been an ape?

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gene90
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Posts: 1610
Joined: 12-25-2000


Message 55 of 56 (22924)
11-16-2002 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Karl
11-15-2002 5:35 AM


[QUOTE][B]Actually, skeletons older than a few hundred years are pretty rare. You find the odd Roman one, but usually they've crumbled to nothing.[/QUOTE]
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But to be fair--the pre-Christian Romans cremated their dead.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 56 of 56 (22973)
11-17-2002 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Jesus
11-16-2002 4:27 AM


Jesus posting in EvC?
Finally, you come to set things straight

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