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Author Topic:   The real problem is materialism
robinrohan
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Message 1 of 7 (223024)
07-10-2005 9:37 PM


What I am talking about is philosophical materialism, which says that there is no such thing as the "mental." This is the real reason why there is so much objection to the theory of evolution: because if there is no such thing as mentality then of course there can be no such thing as free will, because what is done physically is not free. It is an automatic reaction, like eye-blinking.
In that case, life is meaningless. We are nothing but robots.
If one accepts the reality of mentality, then it is hard to explain how that could evolve. Mentality from physicality?

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Message 2 of 7 (223034)
07-10-2005 10:16 PM
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07-10-2005 9:37 PM


Where to put it?
This isn't a great opening post (for one thing I think you have missed the meaning of philosophical materialism -- but someone will correct you quickly enough) but I'd promote it if I knew where to put it.

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07-10-2005 10:19 PM
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07-10-2005 10:16 PM


Re: Where to put it?
You're right. Pretty vague. But I think it has potential as a topic for argument.

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robinrohan
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Message 4 of 7 (223036)
07-10-2005 10:30 PM
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07-10-2005 10:19 PM


Re: Where to put it?
I think it is directly related to the "problems," if there are any, of "biological evolution."
Biological evolution solves everything but "mind."

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07-11-2005 12:50 AM
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07-10-2005 10:30 PM


Re: Where to put it?
It has nothing at all to do with biological evolution. Methodological naturalism might but the philosophy has no connection at all.
"Is it Science" might be a possiblity or miscellaneous topics. Both of those are on the science side. If you want it there one of those might be the place.
If you want it a bit more free wheeling then I'm not sure where to put it.

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Message 6 of 7 (223099)
07-11-2005 8:30 AM
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07-11-2005 12:50 AM


Re: Where to put it?
Misc. sounds good.

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07-11-2005 10:34 AM
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07-11-2005 8:30 AM


Moved
I also changed your title to make it clear what you are talking about since you picked Philosophical materialism.

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