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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Ramadhan sounds basicially like the Christian practice of lent. "Lent is the period of six and one half weeks from Ash Wednesdayto Easter Sunday. During Lent, for 40 days, excluding Sundays, fasting is recommended for all Catholics according to the laws of fast. This is reminiscent of the 40 days of our Lord's unbroken fast (Mt. 4:3-4). The entire period of Lent is also a time of spiritual preparation for the passion, death, and resurrection of Christ. It is observed as a time of penitence other than fasting, and as a time of prayer. The Liturgy of the Church reflects the significance of this period of spiritual preparation: each day has a special Mass assigned to it; those Masses date back to the seventh and eighth centuries; there are no feasts observed on Sundays; purple vestments are the daily color..." You haven't offended me in the least, though, I've been the one who has offended others without really having to try hard. [This message has been edited by nos482, 11-05-2002]
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Andya, my simple comment is that I think you have swallowed the evolutionary line too uncritically.
Have you ever stopped to consider that evolution could be the 'easy path' that our spiritual sight can correct us on? I know the 'narrow gate' is a Christian concept but I think that it may have parallels in your beliefs also (??). My major point is that the worldview you have is very differnt to that of an aetheist. In your worldview God alrady knows the 'theory of everything'. I don't know what you believe about what the real purposes are of love, family, genders, community etc etc. But if I am right you do not believe these are conincidental. In that case you live in a very differnt world than an atheist. You think I limit God by saying he couldn't have used evolution but you limit God by saying that he couldn't have created in a way that reuses genetic components and anatomies. I think you limit God in thinking that the flood could not have been the enormous and rapid event that the Bible, and also your book to some extent, describes. If these books of God (at least one of them anyway ) describe something 'bizaree' then maybe it was a bizaree event.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Whoops. I don't know if I'm ready to forgive Nos ().
[This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 11-05-2002]
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Andya
I don't think there is anything I need to forgive you about! You're a gentleman (unless you're a gentlewoman).
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
Andya, my simple comment is that I think you have swallowed the evolutionary line too uncritically. That's like saying that he "swallowed the physics line" about gravity too uncritically. Have you ever stopped to consider that evolution could be the 'easy path' that our spiritual sight can correct us on? "spiriual sight"? Do you have any proof of this assertion? No, evolution isn't the "easy path". The easy path is saying, "GODDIDIT!" [This message has been edited by nos482, 11-05-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
Have you ever stopped to consider that evolution could be the 'easy path' that our spiritual sight can correct us on? "spiriual sight"? Do you have any proof of this assertion? No, evolution isn't the "easy path". The easy path is saying, "GODDIDIT!" [This message has been edited by nos482, 11-05-2002][/B][/QUOTE] Well, Nos is back and abrasive as usual but gosh darn if this comment isn't right on the nose. Having to figure things out for oneself is definitely not the "easy way out" The easy way out is "this book says so" ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5872 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
My friend, you are very welcome. Peace be with you and yours during the Holy Month of Ramadan.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Would you expect anything else? Since I'm a type 2 diabetic I don't like to sugar-coat anything. [This message has been edited by nos482, 11-06-2002]
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I have to disagree with you here. I don't think that the OT was not meant to be taken literally, as most Jews and mainstream Christians will tell you.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Jews and Christians are talking 3000 years after the fact. Did you see my post #7 on this thread? I elaborated on my statement a bit. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by John:
Jews and Christians are talking 3000 years after the fact. Did you see my post #7 on this thread? I elaborated on my statement a bit. Isn't Judaism almost 6000 years old? And wasn't the OT originally recorded through much older oral traditions? Or doesn't that count unless it is written down?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Judaism claims an age of very close to that. We are in year 5763 of the Jewish calender, which, supposedly is calibrated to the beginning of the world and hence of Judaism. But I wasn't talking about the age of Judaism but about the people who wrote the various parts of the Bible and what they intended. The oldest text we have of the OT is dated circa the 7th century BC, which is where I drew the date of 3000 years.
quote: "Recorded through oral tradition" is a bit of an oxymoron isn't it? Ever try to get five or six people to repeat the same thing?
quote: It does count, but how does it effect what I said? One, we don't know what was being passed around prior to our first copy, so you can't argue that the Isrealites were some special case. Two, why would they not believe what they wrote? Wierd as it is, people do tend to take their religions seriously. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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