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EZscience Member (Idle past 5184 days) Posts: 961 From: A wheatfield in Kansas Joined: |
Steve writes: an "Academic Bill of Rights." It is an entirely neutral document, meant to ensure that profs teach and not indoctrinate. Really. And here we were apparently deceived into thinking it was a reactionary piece of crap crafted to try and stifle any expression of political opinion by the most educated sector of society. Designed also to encourage conservative students to 'rat-out' their professors if they presented any analyses that vaguely criticized the neo-con status quo. Do you not realize this Horowitz creep has actually recommended a 'vetting' process for candidate faculty members at U of CO to ensure that a better 'balance' of political convictions are represented? I am not too distant from this BS, and I can tell you, this guy thinks he is a neo-con Machiavelli. We can only hope he gets a brain tumor soon. (edited for title) EZ This message has been edited by EZscience, 06-07-2005 09:04 PM
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Just in case anyone was wondering, here is a little bit more on David Horowitz and the "Academic Bill of Rights" with which CanadianSteve is so enamored.
Favorite quote from the article:
When Horowitz spoke at the University of Colorado, a newspaper reported his characterization of professors as "a privileged elite that work between six to nine hours a week, eight months a year for an annual salary of about $150,000."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Have you READ the "Academic Bill of Rights" or are you just spouting the Leftist propaganda?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Do you think students have the right to dictate curricula to their professors? If so, why do we even have universities if the students already know everything?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
READ the Academic Bill of Rights! Show me where it says anything to justify any of the absurd accusations that the Leftist propaganda mill has been regurgitating.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, it starts with a lie within the first sentence so it's pretty hard to get much beyond that. LOL
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just in case anyone was wondering, here is a little bit more on David Horowitz and the "Academic Bill of Rights" with which CanadianSteve is so enamored. The Left appears to be SO scared that their habit of politically indoctrinating their students might be taken away from them and they be required to teach the SUBJECT MATTER OF THE COURSE objectively! You think this is just great huh? Mattson is triumphant that a resolution was defeated that
would have prevented professors 'from using their courses or their positions for the purpose of political, ideological, religious, or antireligious indoctrination. Wouldn't want to take away their privilege of wasting their students' tuition money on propagandizing them instead of teaching them what the catalog says they're supposed to teach them, would we? This message has been edited by Faith, 06-07-2005 11:11 PM
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Well, here is a statement of the "Academic Bill of Rights".
And here is a more detailed comment on an "academic bill of rights". The problem of the "academic bill of rights" is that the determination of what constitutes an appropriately diverse curriculum, and what constitutes political indoctrination is removed from the professional researchers who study the field and instead put into the hands of administrators and legal courts, who do not have the expertise to make this sort of determination.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh, what SHOULD it say, Jar? The purpose of a university is to make everybody a Leftist, right?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Have you ever attended a university, Faith? Or are you just swallowing the bilge that is given to you?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As soon as the phrase "Truth" enters you know the speaker is full of shit.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
put into the hands of administrators and legal courts, who do not have the expertise to make this sort of determination. Exactly! The same way medical decisions are taken away from doctors and patients and put into the hands of legislators and HMO execs. Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" select * from USERS where CLUE > 0 http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Amen my Queen.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
according to student paper at the university of florida, (the independent florida alligator):
quote: the socratic method, apparently, is out. so if a student raises a point, and professer gets them to examine it and exposes the idea as wrong, even if purely by asking the student questions, the student can sue. as for what's exactly in the bill that says that? well, i don't know. but it's major proponent sure seems to think it's a wedge for letting his ideologies into the classroom. he makes it sound like it's a hack job on right and wrong, in the interest of "fairness" to ideas. like it or not, not all ideas are right. This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 06-07-2005 11:23 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The problem of the "academic bill of rights" is that the determination of what constitutes an appropriately diverse curriculum, and what constitutes political indoctrination is removed from the professional researchers who study the field and instead put into the hands of administrators and legal courts, who do not have the expertise to make this sort of determination. Bullshit. The bill of rights is modeled on existing student bills of rights that some universities already have. It does not interfere one whit with the subject matter of the course, in fact it is designed to prevent PROFESSORS from interfering with the curriculum. It aims to prevent them from indoctrinating and intimidating their captive audience students with their political and religions OPINIONS when they should be teaching them the field they represent instead. This applies to opinions on ALL sides, left and right, and all religions. And the intention was not to take it to the courts, but the idiotic paranoid misrepresentations of the Left have prompted court cases in some communities.
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