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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This is actually a very great question.
The initial cause of my belief was nurture, I'd have to say. As a child, for as early as I can remember, Mom read us a Bible story before we went to bed at night. As the oldest, it was soon my job to help read the stories. They expanded pretty quickly to include the Just So Stories and they were given the same weight. Church was a weekly affair and pretty early I fell under the guidence of Joe Wood, one of the more remarkable priests I have known. So the basis was set from birth if not before. As we grew older it became the custom for the older kids to read Bible stories to the younger ones and the adults would then read from the Bible with the older kids. Questions were always welcome but usually resulted in a reference for us to go look something up. As a young kid I experimented with other Christian religions, our family was also deeply into both the Episcopal Church on Dad's side and the Presbyterian on Moms, but there were also forays into Baptist Churches where I became an RA (she had the most beautiful golden hair I've ever seen) and a stint at a Lutheran Church (she had dimples and freckles and pigtails and liked baseball and kites and played cowboys and indians and was the best dier of any of the kids) and my parents encourage such forays. We lived in a Jewish neighborhood for much of my early years so it was impossible not to get some familiarity with the Jewish Faith. I joined in a Seder every year with friends and many times went with them to Synagogue (she had dark hair and an accent and smelled like flowers and her mom always had something baking and on the weekend I could come over and see her and run errands and turn on lights and do all kinds of stuff that she couldn't). Then, at about what would be Middle School I went off to an Episcopal Boarding school, but I've talked enough about that. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm pretty sure that British (or American) gunboats and troops had little to with Christian churches being in India, China or Hawaii.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Gotta ask for a clarification there sir.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, that's not the only way that can be interpreted.
Since we are talking about why belief it might be appropriate to look at that from other perspectives. Should we try to carry forward on that or just let it drop? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Would you accept "Humans created religion" instead?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is a difference between GOD and religion.
Humans invented religion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If GOD exists, She exists regardless of what any religion says or believes.
And humans invented God/gods to be part of that religion. I don't see that as a given. IMHO what we see is that religion is an stumbling attempt to understand and explain something very real, the Presence without and within. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We can agree that religion thinks their God is GOD. No argument there.
I am arguing that religion has been a terrible thing for mankind. True, that is your argument but I believe that like any other invention, religion itself is neither good nor bad but rather the use of religion by people can be good or bad. IMHO, religion is without a doubt one of the most powerful inventions of mankind and can be both enabling and destructive. But that, my friend, is grist for yet another thread. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith and Belief are an individual relationship. What is right for one may not be right for all. However, when something has worked, it is reasonable to teach that method. It may well be only one of many possible methods, but it is one that works.
Consider something as prosaic as Martial Arts. How many schools of Martial Arts are there? If you find one school works for you, does that mean the other schools are invalid? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But to adopt a religion as actually giving you information about how the universe was created, who is responsible for it, and/or whether man has been created as in doctrine or evolved from more primative life seems impossible. That's a subject that's been discussed here at considerable length. It's one you and I may discuss one day in the future. But it also has nothing to do with the question you asked in the prior message or this particular thread. You asked:
Given that, how do you go on believing what you do? Faith? How can one version of faith be better than another?? My response is that one faith or belief may work better for an individual than a different belief system, and some other method may work better for someone else.
You can believe what you like, but you must also simultaneously accept that your version of the truth is completely subjective and holds nothing above other versions. Of course. Who said that was not true? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith is an action, a method, not a concrete object. It's like running or walking, like skipping and jumping. It's individual and aesthetic.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
From what I can gather there doesn't seem to be much religious oppression in Belarus, but rather a flourishing almost leading to a Theocracy. It looks like the Orthodox Church and the Russian Catholic Church, even the Islamic and Jewish Faiths are blossoming. The new religious laws simply make it difficult to come in or compete with the established churches.
Gimme that Old Time Religion... Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And your evidence is?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What are you talking about? There was religious oppression in Belarus until the tyrant took over. But to he/she who claims president bush would go over, I join saying.. "Well, the dictator of Belarus is in hiding. I was asking for support for your assertion that "There was religious oppression in Belarus until the tyrant took over." but I agree, when your whole post is considered it is difficult to make any sense out of it. So, for now let's stick to just the evidence for religious persecution in Belarus today. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Help Ola do what? What evidence is there that Christianity is being oppressed in Belarus?
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