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arachnophilia
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Message 6 of 9 (211524)
05-26-2005 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Limbo
05-26-2005 12:03 AM


uh. i don't know far into this i'm going get. i have problems from the very first sentance.
After satan tempted Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden
i don't see satan's name in genesis 3. in fact, i don't see satan's name in genesis. in fact, i don't see satan's name in the ot at all until chronicles. (or job, depending on the order your bible is in)
the text indicates that it could NOT have been satan in genesis 3. it indicates that the serpent is a "beast of the field." when god curses him, he's cursed to lick the ground and go about on his stomach (no legs). the story contains an explanation of what makes a snake a snake. if it were satan, satan would literally be a snake.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed(Satan's seed)
no connection to satan, and seed is plural. i see where you're going with this though, so i'll let it slip.
and her seed(Jesus)
no connection there either. seed is plural, and means descendants. eve is the mother of mankind, so that doesn't really narrow it down to just jesus.
So fallen-angels began mating with mortal women. Genesis 6:1-
and
Sons of God or B'nai haElohim in Hebrew, used also (and only) in Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7 - the term always refers to angels.
really?
quote:
7 I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.
there's a son of god of that's not an angel, or even heavenly. it's david. here's another:
quote:
Luk 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.
i bet you can think of at least one more example that wasn't an angel. elsewhere in the world, they referred to their kings as living gods. since israel was monotheistic, they refered to them as sons of gods.
so it's quite likely that everytime it appears, בְנֵי-הָאֱלֹהִים refers to human beings. the nephillim, if you follow the parellism of the verse are "mighty men which were of old, men of renown." or heroes.
it seems that at some point, it became tradition to understand the sons of god as angels. enoch records it that way, as you rightly point out. but it should also be noted that in enoch, god doesn't destroy the world with a flood because of the nephillim. rather, he does it because of the people who FIGHT them. azazel ("the scapegoat" in lev) teaches man to make weapons and war machines to fight them. and god doesn't like that.
it should also be noted that enoch is apocryphal. and jude is a much later re-interpretation of the story, after the tradition arose. there is nothing in the text of genesis to indicate the heavenly origin of the sons of god.
factual, Biblical basis
don't see how the two are related.
The modern UFO phenomena roughly started in the 1947 with Roswell.
i'll do better. i'll tell you the exact dates. june 24th, 1947, in washington (state). kenneth arnold reported seeing white objects that skipped across the sky like saucers on a pond.
the state of israel was founded on may 14, 1948. that's almost a full year later... so yes, i would say it's not coincidence. as they don't coincide.
bit of a ufo-buff myself. i find cultural phenomina interesting. i think i have the only other current ufo thread here...

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