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Topic: Civil War
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 16 of 24 (206816)
05-10-2005 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Nikao 05-10-2005 3:57 PM
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Well there is simply no corelation between parties over that period. Today's Republican Party is a far cry from the same party in 1860. Names may be the same but little else. I don't know what that has to do with religion. After all, the Confederacy had a major executive that was a Jew. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nikao
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Message 17 of 24 (206817)
05-10-2005 4:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by jar 05-10-2005 3:56 PM
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Re: Southern trade
quote: Great Britian and Canada and the Confederacy would have re-evaluated the balance of North America and in addition to Texas, the south might have annexed Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Nevada; while Canada annexed North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon and Alaska.
I don't believe non-slave states or states without much international trade capabilities would have become a part of the South. And California would have come along with Texas but soon secede from the South because of slavery issues. California would then pull on as their own country or become a part of another country. I am not sure if it would be for the Union though. I am totally unsure and uneducated about your Prince Albert issue.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 18 of 24 (206818)
05-10-2005 4:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Nikao 05-10-2005 4:05 PM
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Re: Southern trade
I don't believe non-slave states or states without much international trade capabilities would have become a part of the South. Before you go too far down that path you need to research the issue of "Contracted Hire" which was approved by Mexico even before Texas became part of the US.
I am totally unsure and uneducated about your Prince Albert issue. You might want to look into that as well since it was probably the single biggest determining factor in the outcome of the war. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nikao
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Message 19 of 24 (206827)
05-10-2005 5:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by jar 05-10-2005 4:08 PM
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Re: Southern trade
Is there a link that can take me to understanding contracted hire? and the Prince Albert thing, is there a link to that too. All I am getting is the present Prince Albert
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 20 of 24 (206832)
05-10-2005 5:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Nikao 05-10-2005 5:13 PM
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Re: Southern trade
None that I know of but I imagine there some out there. But I have faith, you'll find them and like serendipty, probably much more. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: 07-30-2004
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Message 21 of 24 (206860)
05-10-2005 8:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by jar 05-10-2005 3:56 PM
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Re: Southern trade
If it had not been for the untimely death of Prince Albert, there is a high probablility that the war would not have happened or had it started, would have ended almost at once. If Prince Albert had lived the most likely outcome would have been either a Northern Surrender or an immediate cease fire followed by peace talks.
I have to confess to never having been aware of the connection between Prince Albert and the American Civil War, but what I came across on the net seems to suggest the exact opposite of this. All the stuff I've found talks about him using his influence to prevent Britain going to war with the Union over the Trent incident - surely the outcomes you describe would have been the consequence of him dying earlier rather than later ?
09/04/05 - Sharks attacked 30/04/05 - Wasps swatted 14/05/05 - More of the same ?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Southern trade
The big question is what the result would have been had he lived. There was a lot of pressure being placed on Queen Victoria to intervene. When he died Queen Victoria more less said that Albert was against it and so she was too. If he had lived, would she have maintained her position or been swayed by the pressure brought by the Government? As it was, Victoria pretty much simply terminated all discussion on the subject. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3942 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: 07-23-2004
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Message 23 of 24 (207113)
05-11-2005 1:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Nikao 05-10-2005 3:30 PM
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Re: Southern trade
I was not commenting on your scenario. I was simply pointing out an error in your description of how trading with the rest of the world worked during the civil war. Take it as it is.
FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX. -- Lewis Black, The Daily Show
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 24 of 24 (207157)
05-11-2005 3:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Nikao 05-10-2005 12:11 PM
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that's why they seceded. the south wasn't agrarian by choice. they wanted to develop industry, but the north limited them. the north forced their dependance.
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