No need for grunt work? *Societal Roles*

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I do not think that societal/sociological gender equality should ever be a goal.

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If you mean that you do not think that we should have the goal of women and men becoming the same, I agree.If you mean that you do not think that we should have the goal of women and men being treated equally in society as human beings, then I very much disagree.

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Men are from Mars, Woman from Venus.

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No, not really.Much of our gender role behavior is dictated by our culture.

Perhaps reading a bit about current matriarchal societies would be helpful?

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Child birth amazed paleolithic man, so much so, that women were worshipped. But I think that is still very much the case, turn on t.v. Thats how tv networks get people to stay on the channel these days.

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Networks get people to watch TV by getting them to be in awe of women's ability to produce offspring?

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Perhaps, if the word "feminist" was not included in the link.

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What do you think a feminist is?

People who control the children also control the future. Specifically, family property rights.Naturally, if you control women's sexuality, you get to control her baby-making machinery, therefore you control your property rights.Therefore, women's bodies are your propery, along with your children.One cannot logically view something that one owns as equal to you, so women are considered less than fully human, or at least less important than men, except for the child bearing machinery.So, I would say that property ownership has a lot to do with the oppression of women.

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So patriarchy is common because women have something that is worth dominating (reproductive ability). Over history, men have banded together to take control of women.

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Does this mean that matriarchy is rare, simply because men don't have anything useful that women might want to band together in order to control?

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Well, men do have something useful that women want; sperm.Women want to have children, too, but can't do that without men.Since advanced primates have offspring that remain so long with the parents, a female human is driven to keep her offspring's father around, helping to provide protection and food, etc., for at least as long as is needed to get the child to a point where it is fairly independent.Some researchers think that this is a big reason why human females developed orgasm and also the ability to have intercourse at any time during her cycle instead of just when she is ovulating. A female which is receptive to a male's sexual advances all the time is likely to keep him around compared to a female that only puts out a few days a month.So, I think that "banding together to control men" actually works at cross purposes to what the women want, which is to have influence over not a group of men but the one man who is the father of her children.

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You are a hopeless romantic.

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Just kidding as I agree with that assesment of cultural and physical evolution.

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The thing is, I pretty much AM a hopeless romantic.I don't let anthropoogy get in the way of enjoying anything romantic.

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i don't have to prove that feminists want to institute a matriarchal society, you said it yourself.

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I don't know about you, but not a single one of the political feminists I personally know or have read have ever advocated for a matriarchal society.I am a feminist and I certainly do not.I do hope you are talking about the populist movement, not the academics.

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And its a ridiculous, hysterical, nonsensensicle, misogynist stereotype.

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You do realize that by calling Brennakimi "hysterical" you are using a sexist, female-bashing term, don't you?

hysteria1. Path. A functional disturbance of the nervous system, characterized by such disorders as ansthesia, hypersthesia, convulsions, etc., and usually attended with emotional disturbances and enfeeblement or perversion of the moral and intellectual faculties. (Also called colloquially hysterics.)Women being much more liable than men to this disorder, it was originally thought to be due to a disturbance of the uterus and its functions: cf. HYSTERIC and the Ger. term mutterweh. Former names for the disease were vapours and hysteric(al) passion.

Contra, clearly you are a sexist because you refuse to ackowledge the source and root of the word "hysterical" as being sexist and demeaning to women.Therefore, your contention that you are a feminist is called into question.I demand that the moderators address this sexism!

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Bikinis, MTV, stuff like that.

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That's not using our wonder and reverence for woman's ability to create life to keep people watching TV.That's using titlation and sexual imagery to keep people watching.

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And instead of argue if boys are better than girls try and figger out what the heck the future generation of boys and girls will be like when we have the option of macro-evolving ourselves in one generation.

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What makes you think that this will ever be possible in the future?Evolution doesn't happen to individuals.