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Dead Parrot
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Message 31 of 307 (204020)
04-30-2005 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Nighttrain
04-30-2005 8:24 PM


The presence of a tourist office at Ararat is evidence of tourists.
There is a tourist office at Ayer's Rock, but it's hardly proof that Wandjina dreamt the earth into existance.
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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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Thor
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Message 32 of 307 (204022)
04-30-2005 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by JimSDA
04-30-2005 5:28 PM


Re: Jar is still lying about Ron Wyatt....
But both sites have contructions at them that were posted by the host country! Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY THE **EVIDENCE** THAT THEY FOUND AT THE SITES!!!
Well, why wouldn't they put up fences and such at these places. There is a lot of history in that part of the world and if a particular location was identified by an archaeologist as being a worthwhile archaeological site, why wouldn't fences be put up to protect it? Makes perfect sense to me. There was an archaeological site in Sydney (probably still there, haven't been down that way in a while) in an area called The Rocks. It's basically foundations of early settlement in Sydney from maybe 200 years ago. Surprisingly enough, there was a fence around it. Sites that are a THOUSANDS of years old are worth protecting I'd say.
As for the visitors centre at "Noahs Ark", I don't doubt for a second that it is there. Let me tell you, if I dug up some kind of holy relic in my backyard, I wouldn't hesitate too long in putting up a viewing platform and charging people money to come and look at it. The Turks aren't silly, they see a good way to make an extra few bucks.
The point is, none of this could even remotely be considered as valid evidence that that any of this stuff is true. I don't doubt that it may be interesting archaeology, but to see it as evidence of the Bible is quite a stretch of the imagination. All it does prove is that there are people around who believe in it.

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NosyNed
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Message 33 of 307 (204046)
05-01-2005 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by JimSDA
04-30-2005 10:04 AM


Noah's Ark Tourist Centre
The Turkish government built a visitors center overlooking the Noah's Ark site in 1987! It's STILL THERE!
Do you have any information about this tourist center on the web?
What I find says that there has been tourist things going on there for centuries. Anything for a buck you know.
BTW - the particular "ark" that you point out has been discussed in other threads here. It is one of a number of formations like that. Were there several arks?

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Message 34 of 307 (204093)
05-01-2005 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Thor
04-30-2005 10:21 PM


For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
OK, guys -- sit up and try to pay attention --
For thousands of years there was no Visitors Center there in Turkey above the Noah's Ark site -- in 1987 they built one --
SO WHAT?
The truth of the matter is that because of Ron Wyatt's 10 years of working on the site the Turkish government viewed his evidence and decided that they would announce to the world that Noah's Ark may have been found!
The tourist information has been circulated better in Europe than in the USA because Europe is closer.
Whine about the Visitors Center being a "money making scam" if you wish, but you are ignoring all the work that has gone into proving that the site can be Noah's Ark!
Whiners don't make points with me, it just shows that you're all a bunch of children who can't pay attention to the facts!

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NosyNed
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Message 35 of 307 (204094)
05-01-2005 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by JimSDA
05-01-2005 11:38 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Since the Turkish government built this almost 20 years ago I would assume that there is information on a government website about this center. Could you supply the URL?
I'd like to read about the veiws of the Turkish government on the evidence that they examined when they decided to build this center.

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NosyNed
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Message 36 of 307 (204096)
05-01-2005 11:44 AM
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05-01-2005 11:38 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Since the Turkish government built this almost 20 years ago I would assume that there is information on a government website about this center. Could you supply the URL?
I'd like to read about the veiws of the Turkish government on the evidence that they examined when they decided to build this center.
You want us to "pay attention to the facts". I am waiting for some firm evidence of any facts at all. So far you make a lot of statements but I haven't seen any confirmation of anything that means anything.

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jar
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Message 37 of 307 (204107)
05-01-2005 12:27 PM
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05-01-2005 11:38 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Simple question.
Did or did not Ron Wyatt take the pictoglyphs out of context using only a few of the images and touching out parts of images that did not support his assertions?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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JimSDA
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Message 38 of 307 (204141)
05-01-2005 4:26 PM
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05-01-2005 12:27 PM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Jar -- Pictoglyphs that have been carved into rocks thousands of years ago are not always clean and clear for us to read -- every single archaeologist on the planet has to deal with faded/damaged pictoglyphs and rock carvings at their various archaeologogical sites!
Ron interpreted them one way, others might interpret them differently, that's just the way it is!

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JimSDA
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Message 39 of 307 (204142)
05-01-2005 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by NosyNed
05-01-2005 11:44 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
NosyNed, I included on my Noah's Ark webpage a photo and description from a Turkish travel book -- it was from a 1995 373-page tourism book entitled "Insight Guides: TURKEY" -- the ad was on page 310 -- you can see the pic and write up at the bottom of my webpage.
Try to keep in mind that we are dealing with a Moslem country that to most accounts would be considered a semi-backward "3rd world country," so doing tours to the Noah's Ark site is NOT going to be like contacting your travel agent to do a trip to Hawaii --
Duh!

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Message 40 of 307 (204143)
05-01-2005 4:59 PM
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05-01-2005 4:34 PM


You guys do realise..
that there is no visitor centre don't you?
It was partially constructed and then abandoned. It's overgrown and nobody works there or on it. It was constructed because the local governor (whom Wyatt was buddies with I believe) figured there was a chance of cashing in on Christian rubes - not because the Turkish government actually believed this crap. In fact the Turkish government I believe issued a statement later on that Wyatts claims were totally bogus. The government of Turkey was never involved - I think it was just a local governor attempting to make a few dollars.

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Dead Parrot
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Message 41 of 307 (204144)
05-01-2005 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by JimSDA
05-01-2005 11:38 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
you are ignoring all the work that has gone into proving that the site can be Noah's Ark!
Ok, try these out:
1) Artifacts including fossilised wood and rivets have been found at the site - but only by Wyatt. None of the dozens of other expeditions have found any such items.
2)It is not the same size as the ark, no matter which cubit you use.
3)David Fassold, who also supported the site, now believes he may have "misinterpreted the data".
4)Turkish geological survey reports from the site indicate it is an allochthonous block (ie, a landslide)
There may or may not be a visitor centre. The tourismturkey.org web site neglects to mention if Akyayla or the peak of Agri Dagri is the one true site, and also suggests Mt Cudi as worth a visit to see the ark, but they do helpfully provide a link for investment opportunities on the front page.
"Be sure to try the local dessert, asure (Noah's Pudding), believed to have first been made by Noah's wife from the last bits of food on the ark." - Thanks, I'll pass.
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Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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Asgara
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Message 42 of 307 (204145)
05-01-2005 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by NosyNed
05-01-2005 11:44 AM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
From the very lovely, detailed, and impressive Tourism Turkey site...
Choose Eastern Anatolia from eight different regions of the country.
A little over half way down a beautifully discriptive page on the region, you will find the Ararat area discussed, starting just below a picture of the Ishak Pasa. This page does mention Noah and the ark in passing. It mentions biblical references to the ark landing there then goes on to discuss other features of the area. Then, below a picture of Ararat (not of the ark though) is a paragraph that again discusses Noah ("..it is believed...").
The ark site is not listed under museums of the region.
The ark site is not shown in any of othe pictures in the landscapes of the region.
The ark site is not listed in attractions of the region.
This regional page (one of eight) has 5 pages worth of text (2640 words) just on the focus page alone (there are nine different pages for this region). Four lines are devoted to the above mentioned Noah/ark references. There are 24 photos on the page, one of the mountain. It is listed as "Turkey's most scenic natural monument" but the ark site is not pictured.

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JonF
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Message 43 of 307 (204149)
05-01-2005 5:47 PM
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05-01-2005 5:05 PM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
David Fassold, who also supported the site, now believes he may have "misinterpreted the data".
It's difficult to establish exactly what, if anything, the late David Fasold believes today ... he did change his mind about the supposed Ark site before he died.

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Dead Parrot
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Message 44 of 307 (204152)
05-01-2005 5:58 PM
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05-01-2005 5:47 PM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
It's difficult to establish exactly what, if anything, the late David Fasold believes today
Oops. I didn't know he'd also been, err, promoted.

Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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Message 45 of 307 (204153)
05-01-2005 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Dead Parrot
05-01-2005 5:58 PM


Re: For thousands of years there was no Visitor Center...
Oops. I didn't know he'd also been, err, promoted.
No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! ...probably pining for the fjords.

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