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John Inactive Member |
quote: Then why are you posting? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Yeah, gene90 is LDS. Are you, er, mocking him? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I do not think the Shakespeare hypothesis is accurate. I looked it up. It seems to be myth. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
Originally posted by John: I do not think the Shakespeare hypothesis is accurate. I looked it up. It seems to be myth. From where did you look it up?[/B][/QUOTE] Google I entered the first thing that came to mind (you should try it) -- King James Bible Shakespeare. The fourth link down hits gold. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: But there are no extra-biblical accounts that are real, verifiable, and meaningful.
[quote]What do you do with extra-biblical historians evidencing the same Jesus the Bible describes?/quote There are a very few references to a man named Jesus. Most of those references are questionable and none of them are detailed enough to justify the claim that they are "evidencing the same Jesus the Bible describes"
Scott Oser Hojfaq » Internet Infidels quote: Thanks for the link.
quote: I'd guess it is based on a damned megalomaniacal statement you made in a previous post.
quote: Dumps an awful lot of power right in your lap doesn't it?
quote: Did you actually read this article?
quote: Note: Ashurbanipal's library does not contain a record of current events but of a historical/legendary king.
quote: Priestess? In Judaism?
quote: In Judaism? What happened to be fruitful and multiply?
quote: Ok. Here we have a match.
quote: Gardener? What about the princess and the jewish nurse-maid?
quote: Ishtar?
quote: Emporer? I don't recall moses ever being an emperor? of Babylon?
quote: Not Moses...
quote: It doesn't. If it did, religion would disappear.
quote: No way at all? Even hypothetically?
quote: The question I'd like answered, sincerely, is why should I care?
quote: Have you read much mythology? There are mountains of blatantly obvious contradiction of this claim.
quote: A harmony in your head perhaps.... freaking chaotic in mine.
quote: Pick a religion and I will show you many witnesses to the very same things. Now, how do we choose between them? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 10-09-2002] [This message has been edited by John, 10-09-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Compare the two statements:
quote: quote: quote: Correct. This is the gist of the first statement. Note that the point of the second statement is that none of the references are meaningful. That is, there are references, but no meaningful ones, the second statement modifying the first. Again, we are back to your inability to or unwillingness to pay attention. Or maybe you just can't read.
quote: Ok. I stand corrected.... if four or five references are to be considered many.
quote: I researched them.
[quote]Are you a Bible scholar? An archeologist? An historian?[/b][/quote] Anthropologist by training actually.
quote: Yes and you quite conveniently ignore them.
quote: This has already been shown to be false.
quote: Are you not understating the importance of these discrepancies?
quote: Interesting that Jesus isn't mentioned at all.
quote: What? This is non-sense?
quote: As did the authors of the Bible. I wonder why?
quote: You miss the point that agreement in summary is meaningless. If I said "JFK was president" it says nothing about JFK or what he did as president.
quote: Christianity was a Jewish cult. Why would this be of little interest? It seems like it should have been of a great deal of interest. Josephus, by the way, mentions about twenty or so individuals named 'Jesus'.
quote: No. I was curious as to your objectivity and you haven't any. This is what I expected.
quote: A theory is a hypothesis that has been around awhile and is still kicking. What is the point?
quote: You mean it needs to be self-consistent.
quote: What?
quote: You've missed the point. My sources are based on reproducible experiment and/or observation and reason. The Bible has none of that.
quote: Very likely you will. See how you are?
quote: No. Wrong. In you righteous fury, you've missed the point. I did not say "ditch all sources" I asked "why your source?" This question you have not answered.
quote: Feel better now?
quote: Interesting... nobody I know claims to have seen God.
quote: I do not believe there was a strong line of demarcation between the two. Cultural anthropology would do you a world of good.
quote: Spiffy assertion. But no citations. Some archeologists have found Troy. Does this mean that the Greek gods have been proven? By your logic it does.
quote: ooooh.... ouch..... painful.......
quote: The Biblical Isrealites saw dinosaurs first hand? WOWIE!!!!!! This is the most absurd thing you've posted so far. Congrats.
quote: Assertion without evidence.
quote: I am abnormally afraid of wide open spaces?
quote: Ok. We start with Buddhism. Very curious that you choose to start with a religion that has no God in any western sense of the term. However, many forms of Buddhism abandon this atheism and incorporate various local dieties-- Shinto for example. Nonetheless, the presence or absense of god does not seem to effect the ability of people to believe in answered prayer.
EtherBods.com is for sale | HugeDomains No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.tonidunlap.com/prayer.htm No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.buddhajones.com/Features/Buddha-ing101/PrayersAnswered.html quote: There is a reference to answered prayer toward the bottom.
Hinduism Today - Authentic resources for a billion-strong religion in renaissance I am tired of doing you homework for you, so I shall stop now.
quote: I never said that Buddhism was either more or less palatable than Christianity. I said only that I could find people who believe it.
quote: Always.
quote: Start another topic. [/B][/QUOTE] ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Wordswordsman appears to have us inextricably confused. Much of this fillibuster of an ad hominem is about me, but is aimed at you. WS has trouble with reading comprehension. I am the satan-worshipping atheist with the anthropology training.
quote: This is a reaction to another discussion WS and I had. Yet again, he is confused. I made the comment that I do not much trust poll results. I dropped the issue to keep on topic. Apparently WS didn't get it off his chest. I see that Percy has posted a pretty good synopsis of the trouble with surveys.
quote: You diagnosed me agorophobic.
quote: This, I suspect, is also aimed at me. Interesting that out of thousands of references he's posted none-- Oh, except for those irrelevant ones about the classical Greeks meant to prove that the Isrealites 3500 years previously believed in a spherical earth.
quote: Oh yes it is.... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: This makes no sense in context, WS.
quote: It is funny that you respond to the mention of other Gods in the Bible by denying that other Gods are mentioned in the Bible.
quote: Sure it does. But you left out the part about "God of Gods". It is a throwback to a pantheistic past. Out of curiosity I have been searching the OT and haven't found any passage in the JPS version where 'elohim' is translated 'judges'.
quote: hmm.... The JPS has quote: The Douey Rheims has quote: The Darby has quote: The Bible in Basic English has quote: The American Standard has quote: ... but kudos on the gymnastics.
quote: It is clear that there are no other Gods like the Hebrew God. This is not an uncommon claim for a God to make. Basically, it is an assertion of authority.
quote: Obvious only when one has to force a reading that is consistent with a very narrow world view. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
[B]I would suggest you try finding a bona fide Jewish Hebrew scholar who has gone on record as interpreting elohim as an acknowledgement of actual living beings qualified as gods like their god Jehovah, sitting equal to Him in some cosmic courtroom./b][/quote] You challenge us to find a bona fide scholar who believes in the exclusive divinity of the OT biblical God and who will go on record as saying that there are other gods like JHVH? Do you not see the absurdity in that request? There are bona fide scholars of ancient Hebrew mythology who will go on record as saying exactly that, but you must eliminate those a priori with the wording of you request. Truly the mark of idiocy. The issue, as I see it, is not whether those who actually wrote the Bible believed in one God. They probably did. The issue is that the language and mythology betrays a pantheistic past which does not conform to the story told in the OT.
quote: Really? Once again you are not paying attention. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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John Inactive Member |
quote: That's nice, but your rendering still does not make sense in context. How about hitting the argument head on? Come on! You can do it!
quote: You have been shown passages in the Bible which suggest the contrary. What you are actually saying is : "WS does not believe that the Bible has any mention of other Gods as real, hence the Bible does not mention any other Gods as real." Doesn't this set YOU up above God's word? Rather than honestly search it for the truth you interpret it to meet your own ends. There has got to be a level of Hell reserved for that crime. Once again, I must thank you for amusing me by mutilating your faith in its defense.
quote: Translation: Bible Scholars that WS accepts are al universally agreed o that. Hurrah for selective learning!!!! You have been shown that not all scholars agree. Continuing to make this assertion is is quite simply lying.
[quote]The condusion is due to pantheists trying to justify many gods by misuse of the Hebrew elohim.[/b][/quote] Right..... still more unsupported assertion. Yet another conspiracy perhaps?
quote: Ever wonder whether the Catholic Church has any ulterior motive for erasing the patheism from the Bible? Really, you need to consider your sources and try looking at sources that do not have an a priori conclusion to defend. Someone has already pointed you to some dissenting opinions so I won't bother.
quote: I am not confused. I am aware of the typical rendering of the word by BIBLICAL apologists. Gee.... bible prophet ? Could that be an objective source?
quote: Hmm..... if this were any other religion one would be tempted to call it pantheism.
quote: Superficially.... it is the undertones that didn't quite get whitewashed away that we are discussing.
quote: And this came from where?
quote: The same is true for many words in many languages when you try to translate them. This is why I am a believer in reading the originals as much as possible. But the KJV is near perfect and you have no need for the originals.
quote: Then how is it that you understand?
quote: Aren't you now arguing for the idea that translations fall short of the original? And in another thread you put much effort into arguing that the KJV is near perfect? This is self-contradictory. And once again you dodge and ignore the issues raised ..... ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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