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dsv Member (Idle past 4746 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
Seeming social acceptance forces the child to believe it is truth. God forbid we teach our children acceptance and tolerance.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
DSV writes: We need to teach acceptance and tolerance to a point. Lets say, for example, that there were certain people in society who believed that nudity was beautiful and that it was a public right to dress or not dress as one wished to do. They may claim that it was an inborn trait of theirs to shun clothes. They may say that I did not have to look at them but that I had to accept them. OK? So say that I did. What about my kids? Who decides what my kids need to be taught by others? Who decides what my kids need to accept and/or tolerate? God forbid we teach our children acceptance and tolerance. Do my kids need to accept everything? Do my kids need to tolerate everything? What is acceptable for the public and what is acceptable for the home? Is there a standard?
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CK Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
So what if they are nude? What are they teaching your children? that the human body exists and to show it isn't a shameful thing?
How can it be wrong to exist?
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
How can it be wrong to exist? The issue is should there be a standard concerning co-existance?
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Well the irony is, you never do have control. Kids invariably learn to swear even if their parents never use swear-words in front of them, for example. The idea of the family home as a source of values is a bit mistaken; it is a major source, and so is the rest of society, which will certainly leak down to them despite your efforts. This is why such public policy is a matter of public debate. And I certainly am more in favour of teaching acceptance than intolerance.
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dsv Member (Idle past 4746 days) Posts: 220 From: Secret Underground Hideout Joined: |
What if? There are people that feel this way. They live in nudist colonies across the United States and the world. Since clothing is a part of our society they save their nudity for inside the land they own. They have the right to do whatever they see fit (under the law) in the privacy of their own estates.
They even have children and raise them in such areas. I remember a couple years ago some group was saying they shouldn't be allowed to raise children in that environment and it was ruled perfectly constitutional and dismissed. Under your logic we should be asking every potential parent if they're nudists as well as homosexual? At the very least don't homosexual couples have the same right as nudists, S&Mers, couples that role play, couples that dress up, etc. etc.? As far as public display, there is no ban against kissing or holding hands as far as I know, just because two men or two women kissing freaks someone out doesn't make it unlawful.
Phatboy writes: We need to teach acceptance and tolerance to a point. It's all too common that people use religion as a free pass for bigotry, hate and intolerance. What year is it? When will we be beyond such nonsense, if ever?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
How? Are you saying that if your parents had been gay, you would be, too? How come that isn't true for anyone else? If what you say is true why aren't the children of homosexuals any more likely to be gay than anybody else's children? quote: That what is "truth"? That gay people are normal?
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Remember when you said "it is assumed" that the public don't want people to be open about their sexuality? Well, I don't see any legislation banning Pink Floyd from writing songs like that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
That song is kinda corny yet cool, I guess. But what is your point?
This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-25-2005 10:09 AM
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
But they were making it known that they liked girls. So, shouldn't it be the case that such a song should be outlawed? You said it yourself.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Misunderstood?
porteus@gmail.com
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Portraying homosexuality as the norm is an illusion that a child may have to be faced with if dealing with 2 gay parents. Not to say that this is necessarily bad for the child. But any fallacy should be overcome. porteus@gmail.com
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Let me ask you a question.
Is it better for a child to grow up thinking loving parents are the norm or that abusive parents are the norm? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Blatantly stated that there wasn't anything necessarily wrong with gay parents. Although it does provide an illusion of what is acceptable in society. It means nearly nothing, the world is nothing. porteus@gmail.com
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So let's work first to get as many loving parents as we can for the kids.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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