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Author Topic:   If god has a plan, then doesn't that make prayer worthless?
tsig
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Message 32 of 63 (198056)
04-10-2005 12:41 PM
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04-09-2005 4:05 AM


Re: God has a plan and we have a rational mind.
He is wise beyond our comprehension.
If he is beyond comprehension, how do you know he is wise?

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tsig
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Message 35 of 63 (198060)
04-10-2005 12:50 PM
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04-09-2005 12:48 PM


Plan failure
I think God planned for us to have eternal life.
So god's plan failed?

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tsig
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Message 37 of 63 (198067)
04-10-2005 1:02 PM
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04-10-2005 12:48 PM


Re: God has a plan and we have a rational mind.
Lets put it this way....If He is stupid, than we are all in a heap of trouble!
Why?

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Message 39 of 63 (198071)
04-10-2005 1:09 PM
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04-10-2005 12:45 PM


Oh, don't you know? He's beyond comprehension until something happens that they can credit to God to stick it to the atheists; when that happens suddenly all the believers are experts about God.
Yeah, first the believers tell us what god wants, then when pressed says we cannot understand god's mind.
Doublethink in action.

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Message 41 of 63 (198077)
04-10-2005 1:19 PM
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04-10-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Plan failure
I think that God foreknew the result from Eden. It is not as if He slapped His almighty forehead and said "Doh". Those humans! Now what do I do?
He foreknew that sending His Son to bail us out was the original plan to begin with! Eternal life is an option and a choice.
If one fervantly believes in no God and that when they die they become wormfood, Eternal life will STILL be an option upon their death. To reject it then on the grounds that freedom of rational thought supercedes truth would be ludicrous yet allowable.
God will not force anyone to play nicely in Heaven with the other children.
Your god seems anthropomorfic

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Message 43 of 63 (198085)
04-10-2005 1:43 PM
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04-10-2005 1:25 PM


Re: the anthropomorphic Almighty
Well how else can He relate to us? That is why His character is Jesus and not Flipper or Gentle Ben.
So god's plan is to give us a choice that he knows we will screw up, then kill himself to correct the problem and afterwards burn all those who can't see it?

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tsig
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Message 45 of 63 (198106)
04-10-2005 4:35 PM
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04-10-2005 2:30 PM


Re: the anthropomorphic Almighty
He never killed Himself but, rather, gave His life over and allowed that same stubborn spirit that thought that it knew the answer to kill Him through those people who were themselves zealous know-it-alls. Still, He never sends people to Hell. People send themselves there by continuing to follow that deifying spirit of know-it-all that proclaims itself to be as god.
Jesus allowed satan to kill him?
Still, He never sends people to Hell. People send themselves there by continuing to follow that deifying spirit of know-it-all that proclaims itself to be as god.
So he just creates hell and greases the skids under all who do not believe as you do and is not responsible?

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tsig
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Message 47 of 63 (198118)
04-10-2005 5:34 PM
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04-10-2005 4:54 PM


Re: the anthropomorphic Almighty
It would be as if I made a hangmans noose in the backyard for evil people and you chose not to listen to me and went and hung yourself.
Sounds like a lawsuit. Puting dangerous things in the backyard?

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Message 49 of 63 (198200)
04-11-2005 1:21 AM
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04-10-2005 6:04 PM


the alternative
Yeah I know. I suppose that there should be a class action suit against God for not allowing any alternative options to be allowed besides Him. In that sort of a court case, however..Who would be the Judge?
God Almighty v. People
Well there is always the alternative.

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Message 54 of 63 (198436)
04-12-2005 2:18 AM
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04-12-2005 12:50 AM


Re: The Celestial Hangman
There is a level of Faith that you must accept.
been there, done that, got the scars.

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