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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Horner's statement regarding cutting open more dinosaur bones makes a lot of sense in light of this kind of lack of accountability in the fields of anthropology/paleontology. What you quoted is an example of accountability in the fields of anthropology/paleontology. Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten cheated and got caught .. by scientists.
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gengar Inactive Member |
Please educate yourself on the mega-fauna and mega-flora of the past. The last time I went down to the local lake I didn't see too many 60 foot cattails growing in the water... You could educate yourself on the mega-flora and -fauna of the present. Why not head down the coast to California and look at the 360+ foot redwoods? Or take a boat and try and find a 100+ foot blue whale?
Or is the fact that everything seemed to be "bigger" not evidence of climate change at some point in the past? Not as far as I know. In fact, as far as I'm aware, "everything" was not "bigger" in the past. Care to share your data? I have to say I'm a little unclear on exactly what relevence your comments have to fossilisation of dinosaur soft tissue. That's what I've been talking about. I discuss the published results here. How does explaining that the blood vessels in question were encased in minerals, and that the original living tissue has probably also been chemically altered, represent a 'dodge'? That's what was observed.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Blood in dino bones is the topic.
Will everyone please stick to that. Other issues (dating assumptions for example) can be taken to appropriate threads. If the topic isn't followed a bit more closely we will need a temp closure of the thread. back in a few hours to see how we are doing.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Yes, I understood they would find it a challenge. One reason I stsrted the thread, was to watch'm squirm! quote:Glad you noticed that. But I make less than I used to, and can fend off even the die hard evos much better than I used to, as I learn from sparring with them. Must admit, it's even hard to find anyone who can spar for beans these days. Ha. quote:I had them pretty well on board without needing to even know much about the depths of maddness of old age reasoning. But I like to get imput, to sharpen up, as I am coming into contact with many who I can teach these last few years, and they had questions. quote:OK, thanks for the tips. Oh, I tried to start a thread on dating, but it was axed by the censors here. So, although I could respond, here The split, and dating | Christian Forums I'll have to avoid it here.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Wow, the old frauds are at it again!
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:???? Can you give a few examples, as would be easy for someone to do against evolutionists?
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:My opinion on that is that I don't care what kind of word we apply to the phenomena. As long as it fits in the several thousand year timeframe! I would personall prefer the term "extreme adaptability" -of God's creation. quote:I would say the colder part mostly came in after (or during?) the flood. Do we have evidence of colder climates in the cambrian? quote:No problem at all! Violence of the flood year, and subsequent climate changes, I think would cover most of that?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Since we can't seem to stick to the topic I think a 24 hour break is needed.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
for jjsemsch re off-topic comments on Message 38?
Another off topic example is Tyrannosaurus Rex soft tissue. MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos Page not found | NC State News The uniformitarian geological timescale tells us that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, but it’s hard to believe soft tissue could last through the process of fossilization, much less last 65 million years! (and before you call me out on this I realize that abiogenesis, biological evolution, and geology are all separate disciplines, but they’re all inter-related and necessary for the entire evolutionary theory) Rather than changing the geological timescale it’s the process of fossilization that is changed. I don’t know about you, but I can’t seem to keep leftovers in the fridge for more than 2 weeks, and that’s in a favorable environment!Top Please quote the creatortionista site you took this from eh? ("Top?") The concept being tested is your understanding of how theories are invalidated. This is supposed to be an example of a theory being invalidated, yet all it consists of is an opinion based on incredulity and the argument from ignorance. Please read the rest of this thread. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. |
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Could the creationists please explain the magical mechanism which would have made this soft tissue rot away after 65 million years, but would have left them preserved for 4000 years after the flood?
Hint: there isn't one. Either there were bacteria present able to rot the soft tissue, in which case it would have rotted away in 4000 years, or there weren't, in which case it wouldn't have rotted away at all. Your pick.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In your new topic (EYEC) you forgot to use the argument that food rots in your fridge in a couple of weeks, thus demonstrating that the TRex here was only weeks old.
compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, I did refer to the soft tissues, but you're right, I should have done the "a few weeks" bit, that's good.
I notice, by the way, that my dilemma has shut up the creationists good and proper.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence. Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith. Science has failed our world. Science has failed our Mother Earth. -System of a Down, "Science" He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man.-Avenged Sevenfold, "Bat Country" |
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DogToDolphin Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 40 From: Avignon, France Joined: |
Where was this dinosaur bone found? At the surface or deep down in the soil?
quote: taken from Dinosaur Shocker | Science|
Smithsonian Magazine So I am thinking that this dinosaur might not be as old as 70millions years, if it's near the surface (even a bone is sticking out the surface), so my guess is that it could be a few centuries or thousand years old), but I am sure we will never know. They could always run carbon 14 tests, but that's unlikely going to happen if they stick to the millions year old. I don't see why extant or not-that-old extinct dinosaurs would be a problem for evolutionists. As a matter of fact many cultures from the past tell stories about dragons (dinosaur-like creatures). Why would they make up an imaginary animal? Look at the Beowulf poem and other medieval stories. Also China has a dragon as one of its national symbol. Why does it look so much like dinosaurs if indeed no one had seen them in the past.I think this question will be resolved if we find dragon (dinosaurs) skull/skeletons in medieval sites or ancient sites where people lived.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So I am thinking that this dinosaur might not be as old as 70millions years, if it's near the surface (even a bone is sticking out the surface).... Unless the original bone was buried hundreds and thousands of feet deep over a long time, then the area was uplifted by well understood geologic forces, and then eroded out until it began to stick out. That could easily take 70 million years or more. -
I don't see why extant or not-that-old extinct dinosaurs would be a problem for evolutionists. It wouldn't pose any problem at all, so I don't see why creationists make such a big deal over this. -
I think this question will be resolved if we find dragon (dinosaurs) skull/skeletons in medieval sites or ancient sites where people lived. Yup. That would settle it alright. The only reason people think that dinosaurs died off over 65 million years ago is because no one has ever found dinosaur remains younger than 65 million years old. If younger remains are found (or a living dinosaur is found), then it will be known that the dinosaurs didn't all die out over 65 million years old. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey. Haven't you always wanted a monkey? -- The Barenaked Ladies
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