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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Man makes his own purpose. This is one of the most wonderous times to be alive. It is only the overly religious which have to define the purpose of thier lives as be nothing more than giving praise to some mythical being. That is a sad life and proves what was said in my thread "Why People want to believe there is a god".
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Brad McFall:
My grandfather was agnostic to atheisitic so are you saying that a generation does not exist?? Irrelevant. Since atheism and agnosticism are not cohesive belief systems with any common rites, rituals, or doctrine what one atheist or agnostic may do or believe is totally unrelated to others may do. This is not the same with theists, though, since they do have common beliefs in this regard. I can only conclude that you would have to agree with ICR that evolutionists are religious to "overly" religious which is something I never thought. Not only do you not know that evolution is, but apparently what religion is either. Religion: 1. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny There is nothing supernatural, or divine, about evolution. GOuld was correct to criticize the cone of diversity in science and my grandfather while not this religious as far as I know kept his teaching of "evolution" well within the clearly communicated and understood version of either side. Knowing creationists this is either a misquote or quoting out of context. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-18-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Have you known atheism or agnosticism personally? I am an ATHEIST, and yet I have common beliefs with other ahteists. We do have a doctrine which is simply put - We do not Believe that God exists. Sounds like a doctrine to me. Not all religions have rituals to my knowledge, but I would have to do some reaserach. Anyways, see you later[/QUOTE] I'm a Secular Humanist Agnostic.Still irrelevant. It is not an official system of beliefs. Do you have a "non"holy book where the doctrine is written down on how not to believe? Do you take an oath or pledge to not believe? Do you meet on your "non"holy day and praise Darwin? Yes, all religions have rituals. It is what the religious ceremonies are. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-18-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: That dictionary also once defined atheists as being evil as well. BTW, #2 is refering to #1.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: All morality is subjective. It is dependant on wheither it is that of a society or an individual. Atheists and agnostics are just more honest about where they get their morality from. BTW, much of what you say comes out as being disjointed and confusing like this; There are good muslim science but again it may have been something already turned by the Chiense which we consider in pairs unawares. What does that mean? [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-20-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
belief - in theology, FAITH, or a FIRM PERSUATION of the truths of a religion. Not all beliefs are religious in nature. I have a question, can I see some sources that state that atheism and agnosticsm are not religions? All my life, I was told these are religious beliefs. Never have researched it that much. I had shown earlier why they aren't religious beliefs. A religion is a belief system which is centred around the belief in a supernatural power or deity. Atheists and agnostics have no such thing. When did the Webster's dictionary define an atheist as being evil? Very interested in finding that one out. Where Did We Get Our Definition For 'Atheist'? Jennifer Caseldine-Bracht (Reply) (7-00) Even Merriam-Webster's Tenth Collegiate Dictionary has, as a synonym for atheism, the word wickedness. To be fair, they list this definition as archaic; however, its very existence speaks volumes about the public's attitude toward atheists. Many people throughout history have used the word atheist to insult and degrade those people they do not like.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
I would agree with atheist and agnostics in being more honest about where they get their morals from. I am an atheist, but to give the other side a fair consideration, are there not others from the other side who are honest about where their morals come from? No, since they are claiming that they had received their morality from a mythical being. In other words they are basing their morality on fear of what their deity may do to them if they don't obey its commands. Atheists and agnostics, on the otherhand, base their morality on reason and that it is just the right thing to do. What is your opinion on atheism/agnostiscm [boy I really need to learn how to spell these words] as being classified as religions? It is nonsense and only an attempt to drag them down with theists. I.E. "Well if it is only a belief in a fairy tale than so is yours"
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Brad McFall:
wOOW this is an awfully strong third period. Are you sure you can mean this? I think Amorality is subjective but there are some objects in ethics that no matter what calculs text one learned from ought be aboslute even if by law they were or are not. I hope you are part of the latter. All morality is subjective even on the scale of a culture.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I had said "on the scale of A culture".As for the rest. ????? [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-22-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I wish I could say the same for most of your postings.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Read the passage in my thread "Why People Want To Believe There Is A God" again.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: WTF are you talking about? Is this intentional? Are you by-polar?
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
I almost agree completely with his final sentence except I believe that a rational mind *could* have absolute confidence in the existance of a God or gods if that mind had a witness or beheld a manifestation (IE, if a god is real and proved its existance) And what would constitute credible, verifible, or unbiased prove of this and still be considered rational? However neither luxury is possible for an atheist, therefore I agree to the extent that no rational mind can take up strong atheism. Unlike you they can go by empirical evidence. All you can claim is your so-called "spirit witness". I know which one I would concider to be more rational. Fortunately, I am not held accountible for your decisions. If we were held accountible for everyone, nobody would go. Accountability is irrelevant since everyone gets into heaven if your god's love has any real meaning or no one does.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Free will is not as free as we would like to make ourselves believe it is. We are still ruled by many of our instincts. As I've stated before EVERYTHING we do is to prove our fitness to reproduce to the opposite sex. Sex is everything. To deny this is to deny one's humanity as well. Put in UBB endquote code - Adminnemooseus [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 10-05-2002]
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nos482 Inactive Member |
Originally posted by gene90:
That's not necessarily true. Vows of celibacy and even instances of self-castration show this is not the case. People also comit suicide as well. Self-hatred can be a strong emotion as well. They do the population a favor by taking themselves out of the gene pool. Though, I don't know how much about these vows of celibacy actually work considering recent events which have come to light. The Church can't hide too much nowadays and get away with it like to use to. I've heard of children who would tell on their priest and the child would be the one who got in trouble and punished. Also, it seems to me that the notion of not being able to keep one's pants on being the definition of humanity is a less-than-noble outlook on the world. Surely you could think up something more pc? Like it or not that is what makes us what we are. Political correctness is for fools, IMO. The motivation for all we do is basically just to impress the opposite sex.
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