apocryphal stories and mainstream theology

actually, i just got my associates degree today. next semester i'm taking a class on the bible, and hopefully the semester after that i'm taking a hebrew class. i wasn't asserting expertise, but i'm sure someone here knows a lot more than the typical "god wrote it" fundamentalist.ad hominem attacks are not appreciated. i choose to punctuate and capitalize in this fashion. this is certainly not in any way a legitimate academic debate, thesis, or publication. looking professional is simply not my priority. yes, you shoot large round pieces of metal out of them using gunpowder.the question is, do you? who decides what is canon, and what is not? god? the council of nicea? who? if it's god, why the conflicts? the facts simply support more human involvement than divine. no, i am an atypical christian. but you are quick to judge, aren't you? i'm not exactly qualified as bible-proficient. but any qualification i have comes from the fact that i have read it, learned about its history, archaeology, literary influences, and that i am actually capable of thought an analysis beyond "god wrote it, it must be true"

Caught part of it - If interested, keep an eye out for a repeat.Commentary included from the author of "The DeVinci(sp?) Codes".Moose

Where do you get yours ?You perfectly typify mainstream/crowd pleasing spineless subjectivity.When you cannot refute with content - true to this politically correct world - you break out a racist slander which all intelligent people know is the refuge for the defeated and simple-minded.Until I saw your photograph I thought you were a coffee house yuppie.Of course the KJV contained the Apocrypha, and elements decided to edit the canon.Anytime someone wants to muzzle a source I want to know why.

What in the world are you talking about?The Apocrypha was not a part of the canon when the KJV came out. Who is muzzling any source? That is why it is called the KJV PLUS the Aprocrypha.Have you read the Apocrypha? How about the OT Aprocrypha?What makes you think anyone has muzzled anyone?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

1 & 2 Maccabees and the Book of Tobit are part of the Catholic Bible, but are regarded as apochryphal by Prots.

That's correct, however were included in the 1611 King James Version of the Bible.

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Okay, but were they listed separately as Apochrypha?

When replying, use the little red reply button on the post you are replying to. That keeps things threaded and notifies the poster that someone replied.Yes, in the 1611 KJV the books that I listed were called the Apochrypha.There are quite a few other books though that are also considered apochryphal, even more than just the ones in the 1611 list. Also, manty that are considered Aporchrypahal by the Roman Catholic and Protestant faiths are included in the basic canon of other churches.For example, in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, 1 Esdras and the Ezra Apocalypse, Pseudo-Josephus, Jubilees and Enoch are included. In the New Testament, the Book of the Covenant, Clement and Didascalia are included.

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Like this?

Like that. Way to go.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Not sure if anyone wants to help resurrect this thread (arach, jar), but after doing some reading recently I find how woefully ignorant I am of the apocrypha, etc.I was wondering if there were any good timeline maps or spreadsheets sort of showing which books were used when starting with the Torah?For example, the first five books of the Torah were used by the Jews from when to when before additions/subtractions were made.So what I'm looking for, or possibly what I'm interested in trying to construct, is sort of a visible timeline of who which books were being used by which groups at which times.I assume the starting point would be the Torah? When were the subsequent OT books added? Were there any revisions/redactions before the Christians tacked on the gospels?

prometheus much?

guh. repeat post. i hate.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 02-26-2005 11:58 AM

So are many of us. It's really sad because a vast history is missing. We really know very little about the founding of Christianity. It's very much a mystery novel that ends without telling you who dunnit, and infact, only gives you hints of what was done.For example, we know that Mary played a large and important role in the early church. But almost nothing has survived to tell us what part that was or why so little is known of it. We know that after the resurrection, a large body of Apostles were chosen and sent out. But that's all we know. We don't know their names, their missions or any results. Were Paul and Peter the only ones writing copious letters? Where are all the correspondence of the other Apostles? Unfortunately there are lots of them. The problem is that they often disagree and we are left to try to sort out the differences. But here are a couple good sources where you can start. Start here for an overview of the World's Religionsand here for some books. While at this site be sure to read the Introduction to the First Book of Adam and Eve. It gives a marvelous insight to some of the problems inherent. and this is a good introduction to the Kabbalah.

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