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ramoss Member (Idle past 871 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
So, when the snake speaks, it is satan speaking out of his snake.
And, when the ass speaks with the lords voice, that is god speaking out of his ass??
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Derrick Inactive Member |
how are some men in the bible called perfect? good old job
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Quite correct. A few people are called perfect in the word. But perfect does not always refer to sinless. As far as I'm concerned it only speaks of God as perfect in any absolutes. Christians are made perfect in Christ. A man humble before God is also said to be perfect or rightous. (get where I'm going). ********************************************************************* don't think death is a punishment--------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are a Christian Death is no punishment, although we have to complete our task at hand and when its done, we will be called home. If you Don't belive in hell and think of Death as a cutoff switch, then it would be and easey way to cop-out of any problems. But hell does exist and therfor it is a punnishment to any one not found in Christ. Sorry. About Abraham and Moses... see Heb 11
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Derrick Inactive Member |
Read it again, He gave the ass the ability to speak.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4253 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, Ram, still a lot of asses speaking today, but are they God-directed?
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
quote: Perhaps God used this period in history as a lesson to those who would follow. He does love and care for us and knowing how evil all flesh [apparently even the animals were infected by sin] would become, He demonstrated that there is an end even to His patience, and demonstrated His power. At the same time He demonstrates His love by sparing Noah and sons to perpetuate the race. I agree that the Nineveh story isn't about God changing His mind, He knew that they would repent [for a time at least]. I believe much of the language God uses is for our benefit. Instructive and illustrative to make a point.
quote: What writings are you referring to? I'm aware of the apocrypha [why doesn't this site have spell check?] but I'm not sure that's what you're referring to.
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
I love the way you dissect parts of my sentences without ever touching the meaning of them. I wasn't talking about anachronisms as you should know. Women didn't have seed!
I like the way I read it.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 3024 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
xevolutionist writes: apparently even the animals were infected by sin Since when does theology consider the consciousness, morality, or eternal salvation of animals? Did the animals break the Ten Commandments?Choose a god other than Yahweh? Fail to get circumcized? Where is the sin? The LORD God is already depicted as naive. Let's not make him out ot be an idiot. Now, to reiterate: God curses the ground because men are evil, and vows to kill "every living thing," Then he saves samples of every living thing, recognizes that men are naturally evil, and says,
"I won't do that again!"
He demonstrates His love by sparing Noah and sons to perpetuate the race How is saving anything consistent with his objective: To kill every living thing on the face of the earth?
I believe much of the language God uses is for our benefit. Who else?
What writings are you referring to? ... [why doesn't this site have spell check?] ... The Apocrypha, of course. [email programs do spell check don't they?] db
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
quote: Well, my version says that Job was blameless, not that he never sinned or was perfect. It even mentions that he was making extra sacrifices for his children in case they had sinned without realizing it. At one point in the narrative he asks God how many sins he has that he's not aware of.
quote: I look at it as if I'm supposed to live my life for God, doing what Jesus commanded. And this life is sweet indeed. Everybody wants to go to heaven, nobody wants to die. Sure I've read some of the Bible. And that seems to be a recurring theme, about avoiding separation from God.
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
Lost my head there and forgot that you view the Bible as mythology. I see it as God's revelation to us, kind of a handbook or operating manual for life and sometimes wonder why people are so opposed to it. Sure, people misuse and attempt to corrupt the message, but people do the same thing with heroin.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1726 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I see it as God's revelation to us, kind of a handbook or operating manual for life and sometimes wonder why people are so opposed to it. Even though it has talking snakes in it?
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
What motive would an animal have to subvert God? Satan, the fallen angel, one of God's creations that was so great he wanted to take God's place, would have a motive.
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
drbill writes:
Since when does theology consider the consciousness, morality, or eternal salvation of animals? I don't know that the animals sinned, sin had an effect on all creation, and the verse says all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth. It doesn't talk about consciousness, morality, or salvation of animals. What value do books like Susanna have? What message of spiritual import is imparted?
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xevolutionist Member (Idle past 7182 days) Posts: 189 From: Salem, Oregon, US Joined: |
Because of the talking snake. I'm waiting to see how it turns out.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1603 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
consolidated reply.
You said you can find 6. Please find 2 that actually talk about the seed of a "woman", that also refers to virgin birth (Mary and JC i.e. gosples excluded quote: quote: quote: used in plural:
quote: now, debate those if you want, but this one clearly uses the same phrase:
quote: clearly seed is a euphemism for child. particularly the kind made with SEMEN:
quote: was jesus made with semen? you tell me.
Whatever your smoking, I want two! what does Mac have to do with it? tell me. was macbeth prophetic of me killing my boss, or did i just get the idea from reading it?
Did you actually READ Gen or are you working on hearsay? Before the fall they walke with God, talked with Him as friends, being Naked infront of Him (intemacy if you will) did not even botter them. After the fall, all that's gone. did YOU read genesis? so no one walked with god after the fall?
quote: no one talked with god on a regular basis? i bet i can find more verses that start "and god said" directed at moses than adam. the clothing bit has to do with awareness: they weren't concerned with nudity before, because they were just like the animals.
Let me colour it a bit more, your married, you cheet on your spouce. He/she walks in. You and you friend go for clothes. What just happend to your, marrage and relationship? Why are you suddenly scared to be naked infront of your spouce? Is your sp. going to be arround very much longer? but that's not what happens. adam is not god's wife or husband. god is adam's father.
Tel me again, how does above mentioned statemet make God stupid. The writer is stating a possibility that God might have mesuring a day diffrently than we do. no, the author of genesis is not. a later author is. maybe to explain genesis, maybe not. the author of genesis wrote the word day. as in days of creation. a day, evening and morning. if he had meant eternity, he would have eternity. if he had ment a myriad years, he would have said a myriad years. why does it make god stupid? because god is unable to put himself in adam's point of view. god knows what a day is: he made them. god knows how adam experiences time: he made both adam and time. this sound like a good punishment to you? "don't do it, or i'll kill you a thousand years from now." right, ok. by then i'll probably want to die anyways. god meant a literal day, the story is preposterous any other way.
True ,not about Loss of immortality and it is about the origen of man. i.e. God. Your focus is out of place. If your focus was on target, Lions would be mowing your lawn. quote: Quite correct. A few people are called perfect in the word. But perfect does not always refer to sinless but it does in the case of job. it HAS to mean "without sin" otherwise god's "punishment" of job is valid. the whole point of the gooey poetry center of the book, the whole driving conflict is that the just often suffer. if job is unjust, and all men are inherently sinful, there's no point in writing the book. and better yet, god would have said something to that extent when he shows up at the end.
If you are a Christian Death is no punishment, although we have to complete our task at hand and when its done, we will be called home. If you Don't belive in hell and think of Death as a cutoff switch, then it would be and easey way to cop-out of any problems. But hell does exist and therfor it is a punnishment to any one not found in Christ. Sorry. no, i don't believe in hell. because i know a little tiny bit of hebrew, and the tradition revolving around it. the english word "hell" comes from the hebrew "sheol" meaning grave. as in the physical place you are buried. sorry, but the tanakh (ot) just does not support any sort of afterlife, except possibly one akin to the greek hades (also not "hell") where people exist as shades of their former selves.
About Abraham and Moses... see Heb 11 i've you've read any of my other posts here, you'd already be aware that i don't like the apostle paul.
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