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PecosGeorge
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Message 46 of 53 (122511)
07-06-2004 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by RAZD
04-09-2004 2:30 AM


40,000 years is
illogical in the sense that fundamental Christians teach a 6,000 year old earth.
This cannot be. Not 40,000 years and not 6,000 years. Do you see the nonsense?
KingdomOfHeaven2U needs to watch his 'rithmetic.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 47 of 53 (122512)
07-06-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
04-21-2004 5:18 PM


Re: so kofh2u
Forget it, Jar. Just be happy with the way you ustawas!
Hope the arthritus is not that bad. I have something similar and it's the a massive pain in the duchus.

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Steen
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Message 48 of 53 (122563)
07-07-2004 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by kofh2u
07-06-2004 9:32 PM


Re: Evidence OF meaning in Revelation...
quote:
Two billion Christians read this book of the Boble, a book which the earliest of church fathers insisted be read before the congregation of the budding church, often over the head of some protest. These mysterious sounding szmbolic reference were thus both highly esteemed by the bible writers themselves, and at one an the same time implied as some cryptic insight that only time would reveal.
And? ... What does that PROVE?
quote:
Now if I am mistaken in you claim of Christian membership,..
Your are not. I might not be in the same congregation as you are, though.
quote:
I do see your point. Why would you personally care? And how appropriate you arrogant distain for The Word.
Rather, I don't see the "revelation" as The Word, but rather as an inclucion of something that had to work as the "stick," since Jesus only gave us the "carrot." That obviously made some of the more punitively minded people back then uncomfortable (just as it makes the fundies uncomfortable today).
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kofh2u
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Message 49 of 53 (122702)
07-07-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Steen
07-07-2004 2:19 AM


Re: Evidence OF meaning in Revelation...
Hmmmm....
When you say, "I don't see the "revelation" as The Word,"...
....do you deny this as a part of God, the Word, because you CAN make sense of it, and you find it unscriptural.... ?
....or, can you NOT make sense of it, so obviously you discount it as beyond meaning?
but rather as an inclucion of something that had to work as the "stick,"

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Steen
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Message 50 of 53 (123159)
07-09-2004 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by kofh2u
07-07-2004 12:00 PM


Re: Evidence OF meaning in Revelation...
I view it as unscriptural. It doesn't fit with Jesus' message to us. Jesus was not about Hell and punishment, but rather abou forgiveness and loving your neighbor.
Yes, this was not hardline OT enough for some early Christians, and thus all the punitive nonsense that people lik Paul were pushing, was included. Paul performed a coup d'etas, pushing aside Jesus message of love for his own of condemnation and punishment.

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kofh2u
Member (Idle past 3819 days)
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From: phila., PA
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Message 51 of 53 (123329)
07-09-2004 11:58 AM
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07-09-2004 1:07 AM


deny St John AND Paul...?
How could I hope to fair any better in your evaluation of anything I might say to you on any matter if you are so arbitary a Christian as to deny the writings of the beloved apostle, writer of the Revelation, and St Paul?

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Steen
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Message 52 of 53 (123678)
07-11-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by kofh2u
07-09-2004 11:58 AM


Re: Beloved misogynist?
Beloved? A hatemongering, punitive misogynist? To you, perhaps.
On the other hand, Paul was big on not bearing false witness, which puts him at collision course with all creationists.
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MiguelG
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Posts: 63
From: Australia
Joined: 12-08-2004


Message 53 of 53 (185683)
02-15-2005 8:21 PM


I have to agree with Steen...
...in essence.
Christ's teachings are definitive, as He himself is reported to have said in Matthew 22: 36-40.
If one views the rest of scripture through the lens of these two commandments then one can readily discern & interpret exactly what scriptures are relevant to the central tenet of Christianity.
In my opinion, the whole concept of the flood (and thus the Ark) is not only irrelevant but contrary to the concepts that Christ taught about.
Can you see Christ condemning the innocent children to death in the flood because of sinful parents? I can't.
However that is part of my rejection of the literal interpretation of the flood story.
As for Kofh2U's interpretation of the flood myth, my rejection of that follows much the same objections as have already been aired on this thread.
As for Kofh2U's comment to Steen:
How could I hope to fair any better in your evaluation of anything I might say to you on any matter if you are so arbitary a Christian as to deny the writings of the beloved apostle, writer of the Revelation, and St Paul?
I would have thought that what Christ had to say rates more importantly than anything a later interpreter of His words had to say?
Surely, if the intent & philosophy of a message varies significantly from that which is offered by Christ, it should be fairly easy to
judge who's message offers truth?
Cheers

  
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